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Post by Broughy1322 on Aug 30, 2014 19:50:49 GMT
Many people claimed they would never use them even if it made a difference and I see no reason why that should change just because Broughy confirmed it for them. Its kind of pathetic that people in this crew treat his word as the word of god and disrespect the top racers telling you what is better for months on end. I love Broughys videos but he wouldnt even race with them until Crazy figured out exactly what it was. I know its not exactly taking the high road but after months of being told you are crazy and its a placebo blah blah blah WE TOLD YA SO! (Aimed at all the doubters). Just FYI I never actually thought you guys were crazy. There was clearly a reason you were all using them and you all race a lot more than me these days, so there's no way I could have thought you as being 100% wrong - I just didn't know. However I'm a man of science, and something needs to be proven to me before I can believe it. I tried my best to find a difference with tyres during my first bout of testing and that came up negative. With it being such a hard thing to test all we really have to go on a lot of the time is feeling and speculation (such as Chilis theories which he has now said he feels he may need to re-think), and that simply doesn't cut it for me. Especially if I want to make a video about it. There's no way I'm putting out a video saying "off-road wheels are the best because I feel like they give me better performance". I just can't do that. I need things to be worked out and shown categorically one way or another, which is what crazyman did. As soon as I knew what I was looking at and knew what I was looking for it became a very easy decision to make to put the info out there. I feel this is why people treat my word as the word of god as you put it, because I try my utmost not to lead people astray. It's not that I thought you guys were crazy, it's that I think everyone who has any theory about anything is crazy until I'm shown otherwise, and this was a particularly difficult one to find.
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Post by OpalescentFalcon on Aug 30, 2014 20:37:35 GMT
Hi Broughy1322, What do you think of valleyeve's theory that the speed boost curbs give is different depending on the wheels used?
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Post by Broughy1322 on Aug 30, 2014 20:59:07 GMT
I have no opinion at this moment in time
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Post by Trowa on Aug 30, 2014 21:23:28 GMT
Many people claimed they would never use them even if it made a difference and I see no reason why that should change just because Broughy confirmed it for them. Its kind of pathetic that people in this crew treat his word as the word of god and disrespect the top racers telling you what is better for months on end. I love Broughys videos but he wouldnt even race with them until Crazy figured out exactly what it was. I know its not exactly taking the high road but after months of being told you are crazy and its a placebo blah blah blah WE TOLD YA SO! (Aimed at all the doubters). Just FYI I never actually thought you guys were crazy. There was clearly a reason you were all using them and you all race a lot more than me these days, so there's no way I could have thought you as being 100% wrong - I just didn't know. However I'm a man of science, and something needs to be proven to me before I can believe it. I tried my best to find a difference with tyres during my first bout of testing and that came up negative. With it being such a hard thing to test all we really have to go on a lot of the time is feeling and speculation (such as Chilis theories which he has now said he feels he may need to re-think), and that simply doesn't cut it for me. Especially if I want to make a video about it. There's no way I'm putting out a video saying "off-road wheels are the best because I feel like they give me better performance". I just can't do that. I need things to be worked out and shown categorically one way or another, which is what crazyman did. As soon as I knew what I was looking at and knew what I was looking for it became a very easy decision to make to put the info out there. I feel this is why people treat my word as the word of god as you put it, because I try my utmost not to lead people astray. It's not that I thought you guys were crazy, it's that I think everyone who has any theory about anything is crazy until I'm shown otherwise, and this was a particularly difficult one to find. Fair enough.
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Post by Hale on Aug 30, 2014 22:52:10 GMT
Many people claimed they would never use them even if it made a difference and I see no reason why that should change just because Broughy confirmed it for them. Its kind of pathetic that people in this crew treat his word as the word of god and disrespect the top racers telling you what is better for months on end. I love Broughys videos but he wouldnt even race with them until Crazy figured out exactly what it was. I know its not exactly taking the high road but after months of being told you are crazy and its a placebo blah blah blah WE TOLD YA SO! (Aimed at all the doubters). Just FYI I never actually thought you guys were crazy. There was clearly a reason you were all using them and you all race a lot more than me these days, so there's no way I could have thought you as being 100% wrong - I just didn't know. However I'm a man of science, and something needs to be proven to me before I can believe it. I tried my best to find a difference with tyres during my first bout of testing and that came up negative. With it being such a hard thing to test all we really have to go on a lot of the time is feeling and speculation (such as Chilis theories which he has now said he feels he may need to re-think), and that simply doesn't cut it for me. Especially if I want to make a video about it. There's no way I'm putting out a video saying "off-road wheels are the best because I feel like they give me better performance". I just can't do that. I need things to be worked out and shown categorically one way or another, which is what crazyman did. As soon as I knew what I was looking at and knew what I was looking for it became a very easy decision to make to put the info out there. I feel this is why people treat my word as the word of god as you put it, because I try my utmost not to lead people astray. It's not that I thought you guys were crazy, it's that I think everyone who has any theory about anything is crazy until I'm shown otherwise, and this was a particularly difficult one to find. Trowa does have a valid point in that we get a lot of stick from people i.e. When i said i could go faster round Nurburgring in a Turismo then a Zentorno ( true). i was told this wasn't possible as the Zentorno was proven to be faster and I've even been ridiculed by other crews. just a small example but it happens almost daily. Again we respect your videos with regard to ultimate pace a huge amount and the work you put in is ridiculous. But as you know certain cars suit certain tracks. even to the extent that the tracks used by shaggy favour a Feltzer which is 4th in class i believe ? Without sounding like too much of a whiner. Those of us who are very active and play a lot find a lot of these little things (many of which you knew about before us , kerbs lsgp pole cuts etc.) But we are always disbelieved by the majority until you put your mark on it which is very frustrating. We could easily hide these little helps we find but we show them to everybody to help improve the NoDo community. But we are often dismissed by those who have no actual proof against us, just an opinion of someone else's opinion. But anyways im glad we now have proof of the off-road wheels and now seeing the video its kind of laughable that we didnt notice this before. Thanking you .
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Post by Trowa on Aug 30, 2014 22:54:31 GMT
Yeah the way Sean put it is better. Thats what I was trying to say
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Post by vxwk on Aug 30, 2014 23:35:12 GMT
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and at the end of a day were talking about a very minor part of racing. I don't think anymore needs to be said on this matter, off-road tyres improve performance end of conversation. This shouldn't turn into a certain vs doubter battle, I personally thought it was a placebo affect but I was wrong, and that used to be my opinion.
I wasn't wrong to not take your advice, like Broughy, I want evidence before I decide to make a switch. Patronising the people who doubted this theory is quite childish, I just chose not to switch because there wasn't any evidence. Theories are there to be tested so naturally there has to be two sides and until one is definitively proved, then each side has a right to plead for their case. What I'm trying to say is that my argument was wrong, but I'm not wrong for thinking that, because at the time it hadn't been proven. I understand this might be frustrating for you guys who are positive of something that the majority of people are against, but it's your job to prove there's a difference and this time Crazyman has, so well done to him.
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Post by Hale on Aug 31, 2014 0:08:02 GMT
the point wasn't aimed directly at the people who doubted our point was that we are simply disbelieved and ridiculed immediately water under the bridge mate. Just hopefully we will be trusted a bit more by people
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Post by vxwk on Aug 31, 2014 4:00:37 GMT
the point wasn't aimed directly at the people who doubted our point was that we are simply disbelieved and ridiculed immediately water under the bridge mate. Just hopefully we will be trusted a bit more by people Roger Wilco I won't be as sceptical next time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 22:17:50 GMT
Watching Shaggy's stream and off-road tyres look like they completely mess up on the Feltzer. You can't go over kerbs and you go flying.
That is unless Shaggy and any others are doing something weird.
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Post by OpalescentFalcon on Sept 5, 2014 23:24:22 GMT
Watching Shaggy's stream and off-road tyres look like they completely mess up on the Feltzer. You can't go over kerbs and you go flying. That is unless Shaggy and any others are doing something weird. Was watching it too, many weird collisions i never have. Maybe they are pushing forward on left stick.
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Post by Renegade1911 on Sept 9, 2014 9:25:32 GMT
I did a little more testing and my conclusion is that it is indeed the amount of tyre wall that affects how easily does the car go across curbs. I used my Stinger GT as a testing car. By default, it has those "classic" rims with big fat tires, which are in the Lowrider category. I then tried one Sports rims and then another Lowrider ones.
With stock wheels with big default tires the curbs were almost nonexistent. You could barely ever hear the bump when you go across them. It was very smooth. On par with Offroad wheels. Maybe a little better, maybe a little worse. Couldn't really tell.
With Sports wheels, it was back to what we're used to. Big bumbs, shaking car, that kind of stuff.
The Lowrider wheels were somewhere in the middle. You could still hear lot of those bumps, but overall it was a lot smoother than with Sports.
I draw my conclusion from comparison with the stock wheels. They're technically Lowrider, but they don't drive like it. So yeah, this just confirms what we already knew. I just wanted to check this against those stock wheels.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Sept 9, 2014 19:31:48 GMT
First, let me also toss in to the wheel debate that if you use the iFruit app on your phone or tablet, there is a new statistic shown for cars not present in the game: Weight. (They only show Weight, Speed, and Handling.) If you change the tires on the car, there is no difference ever shown for any of the statistics except for Weight. The only tire that changes weight is High End. They are actually heavier.
That being said, on the topic of people criticizing broughy and us for heeding his advice... people tend to forget that the track design does matter. There are track layouts that can be made that can make it possible for typical non-leaderboard cars to become the best ones for that track. Obviously this usually points to straight aways (like a Le Mans, for example). I'm actually quite interested in designing tracks that essentially are Leaderboard Car Killers. Tracks that an Elegy cannot win, for example.
While I don't like using the curbs, pavement, or off road tires, I want to be able to compete in my races. This lends itself alot to things I saw in Forza. Every race atleast one or two people would select the leaderboard car for that track, and for the rest of us, our option was... turn this into a one model race... or we're all racing for 2nd/3rd/4th/etc. I feel the curb/tires is a glitch/bug, and something I hope will be fixed. This bug also lends itself to creating crazy track layouts, where after some practice it's apparent that the track was designed with the intent of swinging corners wide enough to mount the sidewalk and get an acceleration boost. Using these tricks, it's easy to blow the doors off the vast majority of the GTA Online community who are racing and uninformed.
As broughy has stated many times in his videos, he enjoys pure racing. While some might say I'm whining because I don't have the skill yet to thread the needle past lamp posts and street lights to take advantage of this, but I argue that having poles extended out into the drivable track surface would be something you would never find in a real life circuit, most obviously for safety reasons. Even we can see that sometimes the risks aren't worth it because a mistake by one racer taking out a post can ruin it for those following close behind.
Obviously, this is now way off topic, but if the bug is never fixed, then I would like to encourage future track creators to use the concrete dividers to block off cutting corners, and possibly in general, deny access to any sidewalks on any of your tracks.
Also, final note, which broughy has stated he'd like to look into; Does softening the suspension actually help using this bug/glitch? If I take off the comp susp and put the street/sport back on, will it be better overall (atleast on bumpy tracks) to go with the lesser suspension?
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