strikeslip
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Post by strikeslip on Jun 18, 2014 20:20:17 GMT
IMO, the radio station you're listening to probably has more effect on performance, than the tires. ;-)
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valleyeve
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Post by valleyeve on Jun 18, 2014 20:55:05 GMT
This is the video you want: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIBk7XZpeh8And I said custom tyres may have had an effect, but that it wouldn't affect race results either way. I didn't test different tyre types and more thorough testing would need to be done in any event. You said they won't affect race results, but you did say they may make a difference; presumably in hot lapping. I don't see the difference when it comes to better performance. I would first ask the question; are aftermarket wheels better than stock wheels? I presume that would be a good starting point. If that is true, speculate between different wheel types. That would be the way to test this and conclude whether they do or not. Otherwise, nobody has concluded anything on this thread. If we all want to debate about it; the truth is that nobody has presented conclusive evidence, therefore we don't know if they affect performance AT BEST. I would love for anyone to change my opinion. I will be patiently waiting.
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valleyeve
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Post by valleyeve on Jun 18, 2014 21:01:57 GMT
So Broughy admitted that tires affect grip in his video. Personally I believe the Carbonizzare is a completely different car when you put tuner tires on it. It seems as though tires effect cars with handling problems more dramatically, as for good handling cars there isn't much difference. I think the only way to settle this would be to test the top 5 sports cars with tuner tires and see if there is a difference in placement. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIBk7XZpehI think my biggest mistake was not testing the difference between stock and aftermarket wheels. That I believe would at least conclude that there is a difference or not. I especially feel the difference with my futo, which is why I keep the wheels stock; for drifting. You are on to something, and I'd say test it.
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jarvis10
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Post by jarvis10 on Jun 18, 2014 21:21:04 GMT
I'm not sure if tires have that much effect on all cars, maybe they only have a noticeable effect on notoriously slidey cars with lots of torque like the Elegy, Monroe, etc. The problem with many of the tests that have been done is that use cars that have really good traction like the Elegy, plus they use tracks with long straights like "Taking Off": np.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV/comments/1pw9sa/gtao_los_santos_customs_upgrade_tests/
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Post by CrazyMan2626267 on Jun 19, 2014 17:29:19 GMT
The part that makes this more difficult is that we all drive differently. If their is a difference we all will get different results because of how we want the car to drive and how the car feels. I feel the offroad tires tightens up a car a quite a bit but it stops it sliding out on exits with my style where as if I try to do my style of driving in sport wheels I go all over the damn place and slide out of most corners like I was in a drifting competetion. It's down to preference with nothing being rock solid because we all drive differently and want different things to execute how we want to drive.
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haydugjr
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Post by haydugjr on Jun 19, 2014 21:20:19 GMT
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Qexor
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Post by Qexor on Jun 30, 2014 23:16:58 GMT
Judging by the voting most of the crew feel that wheel types dont affect lap times. I dont know whether its my play style or how i play the game thats affecting this, hell i dont know whether its psychological but i do feel like the lowrider tyres just feel more grippy than the sports or high end. Ive done lap times around LSGP with both sport (my favoured aesthetic wheel type) and lowrider and i managed better lap times consistently with the lowrider tyres. For whatever unexplainable reason the lowriders tyres just gripped the corners better and didnt cause the back end of the car to flick out after going over curbs and bumps in the road as much as the sports did. Like valleyeve said this is not conclusive but he does hold a good arguement at whether wheel types make a difference. I just hope maybe Broughy could clear this up in a video because atm im on the fence whether its me or there is some hidden stat behind wheel types.
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jarvis10
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Post by jarvis10 on Jul 1, 2014 3:25:08 GMT
I meant to say Carbonizarre. The Elegy has really good traction.
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Post by Broughy1322 on Jul 9, 2014 17:41:21 GMT
It has begun.
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Post by CHILLI on Jul 9, 2014 18:03:14 GMT
Heyo, my first post on here after watching Broughy's videos for quite some time.
After reading through the spreadsheet that was analyzed and comparing the parameter names and their values with GTA IV I think I'm figuring out part of the puzzle.
My take on all of this is that there might be a slight increase in traction once custom wheels are applied. But after that point each wheel type only have differences between "Traction Curve", which is at how many degrees of turning is the maximum grip achieved, and "Traction Spring Delta", which I believe affects how loose the turning will be and lower is better. So why some say certain types are better or not might simply be because of their characteristics involving those two parameters. I've always felt that the muscle type makes my car looser but I still drive across town at about the same speed, I might just brake a little more here and there compared to how I drive with high-end or sports. Judging by that, high-end sports are intended more towards how F-1 is driven as in not turning that sharp. The difference between those two is probably something like "Curve" and "Spring Delta" is tightened up for high-end but "Spring Delta" might be a little looser for sports, but not by much.
Basicly what I'm saying is that the amount of traction your car can output is still the same no matter the type, but the driving style changes and that might still be valuable for hot-lappers that want a very specific type of behaviour for a particular track. Some might like a tiny bit more "failure margin" and so they pick something like lowrider or muscle and some might want something as tight as the new non-hipster pants where drifting simply isnt an option. But in the end it all comes down to how early or late you want to reach maximum grip. Muscle and lowrider probably reaches it later and high-end reaches it the earliest. Pick your poision!
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valleyeve
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Post by valleyeve on Jul 10, 2014 23:02:25 GMT
Aha! I caught you on your garage tour. Damn I'm good at predicting stuff. I might as well be the GTA prophet.
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haydugjr
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Post by haydugjr on Jul 10, 2014 23:40:37 GMT
Heyo, my first post on here after watching Broughy's videos for quite some time. After reading through the spreadsheet that was analyzed and comparing the parameter names and their values with GTA IV I think I'm figuring out part of the puzzle. My take on all of this is that there might be a slight increase in traction once custom wheels are applied. But after that point each wheel type only have differences between "Traction Curve", which is at how many degrees of turning is the maximum grip achieved, and "Traction Spring Delta", which I believe affects how loose the turning will be and lower is better. So why some say certain types are better or not might simply be because of their characteristics involving those two parameters. I've always felt that the muscle type makes my car looser but I still drive across town at about the same speed, I might just brake a little more here and there compared to how I drive with high-end or sports. Judging by that, high-end sports are intended more towards how F-1 is driven as in not turning that sharp. The difference between those two is probably something like "Curve" and "Spring Delta" is tightened up for high-end but "Spring Delta" might be a little looser for sports, but not by much. Basicly what I'm saying is that the amount of traction your car can output is still the same no matter the type, but the driving style changes and that might still be valuable for hot-lappers that want a very specific type of behaviour for a particular track. Some might like a tiny bit more "failure margin" and so they pick something like lowrider or muscle and some might want something as tight as the new non-hipster pants where drifting simply isnt an option. But in the end it all comes down to how early or late you want to reach maximum grip. Muscle and lowrider probably reaches it later and high-end reaches it the earliest. Pick your poision! I have no idea whether or not what you said is true but I like it.
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Post by triplev on Jul 13, 2014 11:09:25 GMT
Very interesting reading. I can do both CC and LSGP faster in the Zentorno with Off Road tyres. I thought it might be driving style. Heavy on brakes and loose.
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Post by adelbamkhayyar on Jul 14, 2014 12:36:21 GMT
My commentating does the difference
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jmar17
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Post by jmar17 on Jul 14, 2014 13:33:08 GMT
Personally I have no idea whether different tires increase speed but if there is proof out there then it is crucial to know for racing purposes as then we would be getting better lap times and widening the gap skill wise between us and randoms.
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