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Post by Broughy1322 on Aug 29, 2014 23:45:17 GMT
Good to see Broughy getting some well deserved love on Reddit. That place isn't known for being kind to youtubers. It has been a surprise I'll be honest.
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Post by valleyeve on Aug 30, 2014 0:05:19 GMT
You know this is a very good thing to find out. What does this do to Shaggy's video where curbs make your car go faster? I think someone mentioned this earlier. If offroad tires don't allow as much of a boost maybe the fastest tire lies within a medium sized tire wall. Sry for the scrutiny but I've got to know. Someone test it!
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Post by CHILLI on Aug 30, 2014 2:27:35 GMT
Hm... this makes me wonder... So the wheel type affects shock absorption... That explains why cars that default to offroad wheels, like the Sandking, Military Mesa etc, dont insta-bump over fast changes in terrain. This aswell as the theory regarding tyrewall size brings up two news questions: 1. Is the insta-bump different between types more than offroad having the least effect? And 2 is a little different and something I've been screwed over by on Learning Curve and a few other tracks from time to time. 2. Will the tyrewall size predict the camber angle behaviour? As in, can you attempt steeper 2-wheelers with thicker walls? So wheel type is more like "traction type", including suspension behaviour. I will admit, that does change my idea about how the wheel types vary and I'm uncertain if I got it right now. Dangit Broughy & Crazyman, you made my understanding of the game slightly break apart... Oh well, back to the drawing board metinks
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Post by valleyeve on Aug 30, 2014 2:34:57 GMT
Guys I am totally sorry to have another hypothesis... Broughy has found tires with a higher sidewall to do much better over curbs as seen in his video: youtu.be/d0kDIRrxgIA?list=UUcZ3sRk9z6jjgfYQbMGTpig. I can agree with that. However... Shaggy (Gun1t123) has found driving over curbs to give us a speed boost: youtu.be/ySrvH3NQi1I?list=UUtq9Cy_z9dyijNgGP9kPHxQ. Here we see two different findings that I believe HAVE to relate to each other. For the sake of humble scrutiny I must point it out. I also did a test.
I made a track that allows you to drive on the median of the road with two tires. It is a very short track and only takes about 22 seconds to finish. I set the weather on clear at noon. I also tried to keep a similar racing line throughout the testing as I did for my original testing. I kept the two right tires on the median as much as possible. I can't tell you guys enough how much I try to keep everything unbiased and straight with you but I am only one human I admit. I set out to determine if the off-road tires do or do not get as much of a speed boost over bumps as other tires with a smaller sidewall. Because off-road tires do better over bumps, I felt as though they wouldn't shimmy the gears to change faster as explained in Shaggy's video. I believe it is possible to get the perfect mix of this speed boost and control over bumps as we cut corners over curbs in just about every race we do by selecting the correct wheel. Just a note: we're seriously manipulating the physics engine here.
Off-Road - Dune Basher 21.728 21.770 21.962 22.051 22.160 21.863 21.686 21.959 21.894 21.871 Average race time:21.8944
Low-Rider - Low Five 21.896 21.550 21.623 21.914 21.307 21.836 21.542 21.668 21.472 21.700 Average race time:21.6508
I wanted to prove it for myself: Then I tried my hardest to beat the fastest off road time (21.686) with off-road tires: I couldn't after a few tries Then I switched back to low-rider tires: I got 21.492 my second try Then I switched back and tried to beat the 21.686 again with off-road tires: It took 6 tries to get 21.673
My conclusion: The low-rider tires received more of a speed boost by their finishing an average time of .2436 faster on a 22 second track. Since I believe Broughy is right by testing myself and Shaggy's finding is clearly observed, I would say it does make sense and it should follow that the two findings react with each other. More testing would be needed to be done to determine which tires fare better with the speed boost and control over bumps and curbs. It may just come down to preference.
I'm going to low-rider tires myself. I would like anyone to test this hypothesis and Broughy has asked for his claim to be tested as well. Once again, I am not concluding anything but I think we're right there.
By the way I really like how GTA Wheel Theory has been coming together. It has been really fun to bounce around ideas for this very hard topic to deal with that may yield such very small results. It looks like we've gotten to the bare bones of the mechanics now.
*PS I used a fully customized Zentorno
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Post by Jon on Aug 30, 2014 4:22:24 GMT
Could someone give me a link to the Reddit page?
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Post by fBomb220 on Aug 30, 2014 4:29:24 GMT
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Post by Trowa on Aug 30, 2014 4:46:04 GMT
Reddit users are the scum of the internet and about as smart as a potato. Those comments gave me AIDs. #RIPTro
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Post by OpalescentFalcon on Aug 30, 2014 4:58:31 GMT
I tried the valleyeve test track to have an idea for myself. fr.socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/jobs/job/26rGbP67G0mkysJCaQkKNA?platformId=2Don't think we took exactly the same lines. I put the two right tires on the median but avoided the grass bits and i did not push forward on left stick. Full rev during countdown to get boost. This is the top 5 times i got. High end. 21.207 21.104 20.923 21.068 20.874
Average:21.040 Off road. 21.15621.312 21.403 21.408 21.305 Average: 21.320 The difference may be due to human error, needs more testing. Would be nice to see what others are getting. As for me I am sticking to off road as i like the smooth feel over the curbs. I am too inconsistent on high end.
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Post by Trowa on Aug 30, 2014 5:42:31 GMT
I tried the valleyeve test track to have an idea for myself. fr.socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/jobs/job/26rGbP67G0mkysJCaQkKNA?platformId=2Don't think we took exactly the same lines. I put the two right tires on the median but avoided the grass bits and i did not push forward on left stick. Full rev during countdown to get boost. This is the top 5 times i got. High end. 21.207 21.104 20.923 21.068 20.874
Average:21.040 Off road. 21.15621.312 21.403 21.408 21.305 Average: 21.320 The difference may be due to human error, needs more testing. Would be nice to see what others are getting. As for me I am sticking to off road as i like the smooth feel over the curbs. I am too inconsistent on high end. Heres the problem. You get more out of stability through turns than you ever could from these curb revs. 3 tenths over a 20 second track designed to use as many curbs in a straight line as possible is a horrible representation of a real track. You guys are probably right about the curbs having a greater effect with high end wheels but its just a fool hardy attempt to try and justify not using the ugly as sin off road tires. To that I say dont use them if you dont want to. Many people claimed they would never use them even if it made a difference and I see no reason why that should change just because Broughy confirmed it for them. Its kind of pathetic that people in this crew treat his word as the word of god and disrespect the top racers telling you what is better for months on end. I love Broughys videos but he wouldnt even race with them until Crazy figured out exactly what it was. I know its not exactly taking the high road but after months of being told you are crazy and its a placebo blah blah blah WE TOLD YA SO! (Aimed at all the doubters). Im sure there are many other little quirks about tires we havent figured out yet either but stability when corner cutting is the primary reason the tires are better for sure.
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Post by OpalescentFalcon on Aug 30, 2014 5:56:12 GMT
I tried the valleyeve test track to have an idea for myself. fr.socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/jobs/job/26rGbP67G0mkysJCaQkKNA?platformId=2Don't think we took exactly the same lines. I put the two right tires on the median but avoided the grass bits and i did not push forward on left stick. Full rev during countdown to get boost. This is the top 5 times i got. High end. 21.207 21.104 20.923 21.068 20.874
Average:21.040 Off road. 21.15621.312 21.403 21.408 21.305 Average: 21.320 The difference may be due to human error, needs more testing. Would be nice to see what others are getting. As for me I am sticking to off road as i like the smooth feel over the curbs. I am too inconsistent on high end. Heres the problem. You get more out of stability through turns than you ever could from these curb revs. 3 tenths over a 20 second track designed to use as many curbs in a straight line as possible is a horrible representation of a real track. You guys are probably right about the curbs having a greater effect with high end wheels but its just a fool hardy attempt to try and justify not using the ugly as sin off road tires. To that I say dont use them if you dont want to. Many people claimed they would never use them even if it made a difference and I see no reason why that should change just because Broughy confirmed it for them. Its kind of pathetic that people in this crew treat his word as the word of god and disrespect the top racers telling you what is better for months on end. I love Broughys videos but he wouldnt even race with them until Crazy figured out exactly what it was. I know its not exactly taking the high road but after months of being told you are crazy and its a placebo blah blah blah WE TOLD YA SO! (Aimed at all the doubters). Im sure there are many other little quirks about tires we havent figured out yet either but stability when corner cutting is the primary reason the tires are better for sure. I agree with you and that is why i am sticking with off road. Had already made the switch a few days before the broughy video. I was not trying to disprove you in anyway.
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Post by axdsilva on Aug 30, 2014 6:56:27 GMT
I think since that video came out I'm gonna hang off a few races and jusst go hot lapping on whatever courses
I already think people who get the blade strictly for racing wastes it, now I'm see a lot of people racing offroad tires just to take curbs...
Until they do what they did with Spoilers for high end I'm gonna stay away from people to avoid seeing Zentornos that will never drive on a mountain...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 9:33:54 GMT
I tried the valleyeve test track to have an idea for myself. fr.socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/jobs/job/26rGbP67G0mkysJCaQkKNA?platformId=2Don't think we took exactly the same lines. I put the two right tires on the median but avoided the grass bits and i did not push forward on left stick. Full rev during countdown to get boost. This is the top 5 times i got. High end. 21.207 21.104 20.923 21.068 20.874
Average:21.040 Off road. 21.15621.312 21.403 21.408 21.305 Average: 21.320 The difference may be due to human error, needs more testing. Would be nice to see what others are getting. As for me I am sticking to off road as i like the smooth feel over the curbs. I am too inconsistent on high end. Heres the problem. You get more out of stability through turns than you ever could from these curb revs. 3 tenths over a 20 second track designed to use as many curbs in a straight line as possible is a horrible representation of a real track. You guys are probably right about the curbs having a greater effect with high end wheels but its just a fool hardy attempt to try and justify not using the ugly as sin off road tires. To that I say dont use them if you dont want to. Many people claimed they would never use them even if it made a difference and I see no reason why that should change just because Broughy confirmed it for them. Its kind of pathetic that people in this crew treat his word as the word of god and disrespect the top racers telling you what is better for months on end. I love Broughys videos but he wouldnt even race with them until Crazy figured out exactly what it was. I know its not exactly taking the high road but after months of being told you are crazy and its a placebo blah blah blah WE TOLD YA SO! (Aimed at all the doubters). Im sure there are many other little quirks about tires we havent figured out yet either but stability when corner cutting is the primary reason the tires are better for sure. To be fair there wasn't really much proof.If you guys had uploaded a video showing they were better and why I would have believed.But I saw broughy's first video showing frame by frame comparisons and he said there was no difference in traction and it was just a placebo effect.So when the same people started saying off-road tyres were better for going over kerbs I assumed it was just a placebo effect again.And calling people pathetic for believing what Broughy says is true is uncalled for.I know since I started watching broughy's videos back in about February/March I've improved a lot because of them.Pretty much everything he said in his racing videos helped me become quicker and more consistent and i found everything he said about cars and car parts to be true.So when he released a video saying all the tyres were the same I saw no reason to not believe him.And I'm sure lots of people felt the same.
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Post by valleyeve on Aug 30, 2014 15:17:32 GMT
Guys as someone that believed that tires made a difference at first I'd say it doesn't matter at all. Saying "I told ya so" is a playful nod in someone else's direction who didn't. And there were many who didn't and possibly still don't. Things like this that are so subtle to the perception they take a lot of figuring out. Just as if you came up with a new scientific theory you would have to remain sceptical of it until you have sufficient evidence and plenty of peer review. I'd personally like to get to the bottom of this.
Please feel free to take the claims being presented and beat them to death with evidence!
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Post by valleyeve on Aug 30, 2014 15:20:38 GMT
I tried the valleyeve test track to have an idea for myself. fr.socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/jobs/job/26rGbP67G0mkysJCaQkKNA?platformId=2Don't think we took exactly the same lines. I put the two right tires on the median but avoided the grass bits and i did not push forward on left stick. Full rev during countdown to get boost. This is the top 5 times i got. High end. 21.207 21.104 20.923 21.068 20.874
Average:21.040 Off road. 21.15621.312 21.403 21.408 21.305 Average: 21.320 The difference may be due to human error, needs more testing. Would be nice to see what others are getting. As for me I am sticking to off road as i like the smooth feel over the curbs. I am too inconsistent on high end. I hit the grass bits too. I figured as long as I hit all of it the same way or very close to it I would get the correct data. I discarded the times where I came off of the median too much.
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Post by OpalescentFalcon on Aug 30, 2014 15:32:27 GMT
I tried the valleyeve test track to have an idea for myself. fr.socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/jobs/job/26rGbP67G0mkysJCaQkKNA?platformId=2Don't think we took exactly the same lines. I put the two right tires on the median but avoided the grass bits and i did not push forward on left stick. Full rev during countdown to get boost. This is the top 5 times i got. High end. 21.207 21.104 20.923 21.068 20.874
Average:21.040 Off road. 21.15621.312 21.403 21.408 21.305 Average: 21.320 The difference may be due to human error, needs more testing. Would be nice to see what others are getting. As for me I am sticking to off road as i like the smooth feel over the curbs. I am too inconsistent on high end. I hit the grass bits too. I figured as long as I hit all of it the same way or very close to it I would get the correct data. I discarded the times where I came off of the median too much. Maybe the grass slows you down. There is a big difference in the off road times between our tests but your test is still valid if you hit the same lines every time.
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