DR_PEPPERZ_
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Post by DR_PEPPERZ_ on Apr 17, 2015 17:33:39 GMT
Hey guys, Harry here
I'd just like to make a point about being stuck behind a slower car or slower driver. Earlier today, me and another nodo member was in a race and i must say he was alot faster than me, however he was so eager to get past that he would just stick to my rear bumper without ever thinking of what might happen. Inevitably i made a little error and oversteered in a quite high speed turn, but because he was so tight to my rear bumper he just ran straight into me without having any time to brake, meaning both our races were ruined.
If you are ever in that situation, you need to have a little more patience. Expect the driver in front to make errors like oversteering or braking to early, dont compromise both your races because you cant wait 30 seconds for a long straight to get your overtake done. I just find it so frustrating when people think that every lap has to be a hot lap, and just are not prepared to press the brake button a little bit more frequently.
Rant = Over
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Post by smitveedub aka inFamous_Smithy on Apr 17, 2015 17:41:15 GMT
Yeah i know what you mean i have been in that situation myself where as if im the faster one trying to get past i always TRY and be as respectful and as curtious as poss which in turn ends up fucking up my race lol as im trying so hard not to hit them i end up in a major crash lol
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lildyl214
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Post by lildyl214 on Apr 17, 2015 19:13:35 GMT
Yeah i know what you mean i have been in that situation myself where as if im the faster one trying to get past i always TRY and be as respectful and as curtious as poss which in turn ends up fucking up my race lol as im trying so hard not to hit them i end up in a major crash lol That's has happened to me a million times (that was a hyperbole but still it feels like that's how many times that has occurred to me).
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Post by DR_PEPPERZ_ on Apr 17, 2015 19:22:05 GMT
Some situations obviously can't be avoided, and if it is like a 2 lap race then you do have to pressure the guy in front more, but the race i was was in was around 15 minutes long, plenty of time to get past, people just have no patience lol
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Post by fox4flame on Apr 17, 2015 19:32:57 GMT
On 2 lap races or races last 6-7 mins you can't expect everyone to be patient and care for racecraft or racing lines of the car in front i think. If of course, that is a random crew race. Given the rockstar service is shit, you can't have 1 race without lag involved, it is the hardest thing. Even in events organized here and being an endu race you still encounter people with no patient. But, hey again, care for people in front and plan your doings
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Post by lilirishman92 on Apr 18, 2015 2:54:16 GMT
When I first started racing with NoDo drivers and couldnt get the overtakes as quickly as with randoms, I thought that sticking very close to the NoDo in front was an easy way to put pressure on them and also let me pounce on the overtake opportunity. A very short time later, I realised that this was not the best method as everyone has different braking spots and racing lines (also lag) and it very quickly turned into a heavy contact sport. Now I try to leave a car length or 2 when im racing. Except of course when im going for the overtake.
My biggest problem is when you are about to lap a slow driver and they still carry on like they are in the contest, making you slow right down. IF YOU ARE BEING LAPPED PLZ LET THE QUICKER DRIVER PASS!!
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Post by fox4flame on Apr 18, 2015 13:12:33 GMT
For the backmarkers, as broughy stated, stick to average racing line if you are a backmarker, give room for lapping guy behind. That's all you need to do if you are backmarker imo. if somehow you make contact and unwanted things happen, that does not mean the backmarker is on %100 fault. Saying this because almost everytime I see this, people have backmarker sit on the guilt chair which is unfair. Know the circuit, know where you can give room, where you can overtake, know where are the best spots. Given the fact that this game does not have the best service ( lag ), think twice when you do make a move
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Post by cameronman1329 on Apr 18, 2015 13:24:25 GMT
When you are behind a person, a corner is close, and you don't have a chance to get an overtake before or out-brake him/her, this especially works for a tight corner when there may only be one line, take a step back, give them maybe half a car space behind, so if they brake early, oversteer, etc you can react and get past. If they don't, then you can take the corner faster as you have more room to take your line and braking points. If that doesn't work then be patient. Of course, there are times when you can stick right to their bumper if you want to dive in the inside carefully or a corner where not much braking is needed so you can get momentum to get past after, but generally before a corner give a little bit of room. I'm not saying brake and let them zoom off, just let of the gas for a fraction of a second to give them enough room so you can react to a mistake. Being patient is key, but don't take this to the extreme and never try and overtake on a corner, just for tight corners this is helpful. For wider corners keep your speed up and try and go on the inside or around the outside or just stick to the back of them, but you still need to react to a mistake. 6-7 Minute races are longer than you think. I've seen people be 10 seconds behind with 3-4 minutes left, but as the people infront were battling, they could catch up and take their time. This happens a lot, if you are patient but keep your pace and consistency up, you will be rewarded. Think about this, if the person infront is going slower, then you will be able to overtake him, may not be the first corner, but after 2, 3 or 4 corners you can get past as you have the pace. If the person infront overtsteer, or clips a barrier and rebounds into the road, if you are right on his bumper, you cant react and you'll end up getting caught in it, which will lose you far greater time than just staying behind for a couple of corners. The tracks I play on, made by NoDo members, all have multiple opportunities to overtake each corner, so just wait out and you'll get your chance. That's my view on it, sorry for the essay
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Post by double_s92 on Apr 18, 2015 13:43:29 GMT
As someone who generally has ok pace on most tracks due to knowing the city roads like the front of my dick. I for one treat those who maybe aren't quite as quick just as any other racing competitor and NOT a moving chicane. Regardless of how fast I may feel I could be going I still have to get the overtake done right. Ofcorse there Are the times when I do make shitty choices but that Will most probably be due to track knowledge/tiredness (I mostly race at stupid times) in which case that's a great indicator to go to bed or start using fun cars and not necessarily go for the win but enjoy the race.
What I don't like seeing is some feel as though they have to move over to let me pass even though they legit have the position. I can understand if you want to just follow and learn some lines but don't feel as though you are causing some inconvenience! You have every right to defend that position and IMO being put under that kind of pressure is how you learn. If someone is faster than you, constantly hounding your back and gets caught up in your mistakes it's their fault, they should know better. If they've announced before hand they were going for lap times, they should have just stuck it on non contact.
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Post by rcracer11m on Apr 18, 2015 13:51:22 GMT
One of the easiest ways I've found to make passes is to give them room coming into a corner and the focus on the exit of the corner so that on the straight you can easily get next to or completely past someone on the following straight. I've made numerous passes purely because I'm able to get really good corner exits on other drivers(which also helps me make clean passes due to my lag connection)
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Post by averageloz on Apr 18, 2015 14:57:08 GMT
As someone who generally has ok pace on most tracks due to knowing the city roads like the front of my dick. I for one treat those who maybe aren't quite as quick just as any other racing competitor and NOT a moving chicane. Regardless of how fast I may feel I could be going I still have to get the overtake done right. Ofcorse there Are the times when I do make shitty choices but that Will most probably be due to track knowledge/tiredness (I mostly race at stupid times) in which case that's a great indicator to go to bed or start using fun cars and not necessarily go for the win but enjoy the race. What I don't like seeing is some feel as though they have to move over to let me pass even though they legit have the position. I can understand if you want to just follow and learn some lines but don't feel as though you are causing some inconvenience! You have every right to defend that position and IMO being put under that kind of pressure is how you learn. If someone is faster than you, constantly hounding your back and gets caught up in your mistakes it's their fault, they should know better. If they've announced before hand they were going for lap times, they should have just stuck it on non contact. due to knowing the city roads like the front of my dick. /THREAD
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Post by KoBo_043 on Apr 18, 2015 15:48:52 GMT
For me being the slower car most of the times, it makes me hesitate to brake when I'd like to to avoid a pile-up. But if it does happen, whoever is ramming my back because I braked too early is in the wrong. Just as IRL keep your distance or suffer the consequenses. If it's for positions I'll keep my line and brake when I want to (not talking about braketesting which is a dickmove imo.)
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Post by ChrisDE22 on Apr 18, 2015 15:53:00 GMT
Imo you cant blame someone for beeing too close behind you. It doesnt matter if he is faster or on the same pace with you, the guy wants to get the overtake done as soon as possible so he can move up the pack as quickly as possible. So from what I understand he didnt make a dirty move or anything, you just had a small oversteer moment mid corner so he couldnt avoid you in time. Well I am sorry but that is just racing, when you are battling wheel to wheel with someone else you are putting trust on each other and if one person makes a mistake then there is a chance the other person's race might get affected too.
p.s. sometimes when your car is very close behind another car and you are coming up a big braking point you have to lift off a bit, but not much more than that
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Post by vxwk on Apr 18, 2015 16:58:46 GMT
This is one of the biggest problems in racing. When was the last time you saw a 10+ person lobby on LSGP and everyone got through the hairpin cleanly?
This and people launching themselves back onto the track after a crash or slamming on the brakes in the middle of the road after causing one is something that even experienced racers do which is a problem. You can let them back past half a lap later if you must, just as long as it's safe.
I understand your frustration.
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Post by KoBo_043 on Apr 19, 2015 8:26:42 GMT
In my example I said the one tailgating is in the wrong. Maybe I've expressed that wrong. What I was trying to say is that if someone is on my ass, and the hit me/spin out/crash because of me braking earlier then he anticipated, he should't be complaining. Shit happens, that's racing just like Chris said above.
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