double_s92
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Post by double_s92 on Jun 19, 2014 13:33:42 GMT
To start I will pose a scenario. In the image below you are driving Car B. You are neck to neck with Car A. You both want to speed through Zone A, but Car A will arrive first. What do you do? [/quote] Move over to the right (if possible)... Brake a little earlier than driver A ...turn in and get on the power quicker...if the over take didn't happen during the corner the exit speed would surely have me right up behind him ready to overtake.
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Post by rdt33 on Jun 27, 2014 16:54:28 GMT
If I'm in car B, I'll take note that car A has a tighter turn ahead. Presumably car A will be forced to go inside-inside-outside. At this point I'll take an outside-inside-slightly inside corner and try to cut back on car A.
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Post by Hale on Jun 28, 2014 0:48:54 GMT
Fuck her right in the pussy . That's my best idea so far
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Post by rdt33 on Jun 28, 2014 13:13:52 GMT
Fuck her right in the pussy . That's my best idea so far
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parksguard
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Post by parksguard on Jun 29, 2014 23:13:53 GMT
Sometimes racing is not that simple. Look at Senna v Prost in the 1990 Japanese GP. In the first corner they collide as Senna tries to take Prost on the inside. Senna does not brake during this maneuver. Sometimes racing means putting the other car in the position that they have to decide to collide or not. Personally car B has the racing line. He should keep it. If car A wants to try to overtake on the inside he will crash the two. It is a mind game If either car gives way to the other then the car that concedes will be in the one down position the entire time because the car who took the risk and won will be able to do the same thing for the rest of the race. That other car will likely always back down after an incident like that. The crash youtu.be/SvSgJDIsRncSenna's interview youtu.be/CgSe1CUa3SA
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Post by Trowa on Jun 29, 2014 23:20:09 GMT
Sometimes racing is not that simple. Look at Senna v Prost in the 1990 Japanese GP. In the first corner they collide as Senna tries to take Prost on the inside. Senna does not brake during this maneuver. The crash youtu.be/SvSgJDIsRncSenna's interview youtu.be/CgSe1CUa3SAwell besides this being open wheel racing this is exactly what we are talking about but in reverse sort of. In this scenario the outside car clearly has the right of way and the inside car refuses to slow down and make room. In the OP its the other way around. Both are dirty/amateur racing tactics. The lead car cannot see you aswell nor can they predict that you arent going to yield the position through the turn. If this was stock cars or GP style racing the wreck wouldnt of been as bad but more or less the results are often the same. Both cars are out of the race or lose tons of positions.
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Post by parksguard on Jun 29, 2014 23:21:51 GMT
Sometimes racing is not that simple. Look at Senna v Prost in the 1990 Japanese GP. In the first corner they collide as Senna tries to take Prost on the inside. Senna does not brake during this maneuver. The crash youtu.be/SvSgJDIsRncSenna's interview youtu.be/CgSe1CUa3SAwell besides this being open wheel racing this is exactly what we are talking about but in reverse sort of. In this scenario the outside car clearly has the right of way and the inside car refuses to slow down and make room. In the OP its the other way around. Both are terrible driving. The lead car cannot see you aswell nor can they predict that you arent going to yield the position through the turn. If this was stock cars or GP style racing the wreck wouldnt of been as bad but more or less the results are often the same. Both cars are out of the race or lose tons of positions. I had an additional thought, please re read my edited post.
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Post by Trowa on Jun 29, 2014 23:42:43 GMT
parksguard "Sometimes racing means putting the other car in the position that they have to decide to collide or not. Personally car B has the racing line. He should keep it. If car A wants to try to overtake on the inside he will crash the two. " I disagree with this. There are more than one racing line imo. Of course there is a best line. Essentially your hotlap line, its different in a real race and when you get side by side like that the line evolves. I cant blame the inside car in the OP bc they took a defensive line and had position. Its not like in the video you posted where the guy is trailing and clearly should have yielded. In this scenario both cars are side by side and you have to give each other a little space through the corner. With that said the outside car is in control. He merely needs to make sure he comes out of the corner faster which can be achieved in a few ways. Slowing down before the turn to stay on the racing line and attempting a pass on the straight because you are able to carry more speed through the corner or the other that jumps out to me would be take the outside line. Since this is a left hand turn if you can equal the other cars speed through the turn and stay side by side going into the next turn (a right hand turn for sake of argument) you may be able to take a defensive line and force the inside car to either yield or go outside like he did to you. Hence a battle for position and a clean one I might add. Either way making contact and using the excuse Im on the racing line is SUPER annoying and I hear it a lot. Its really the worst type of pitting in NoDo at the moment because these are generally fast drivers who have convinced themselves they are doing nothing wrong at all. Some contact is fine, a little door to door isnt going to end someones race but when you hit someone and send them flipping off the track bc you just go balls out on the racing line with no regard for other cars on the track... you gotta know you were in the wrong. That car didnt flip/spin itself. Fooling yourself into believing a wreck isnt your fault turns an accident into a reoccurring problem and thats when people start getting pissed off and messaging admins about you saying you are a dirty racer. I think its immaturity as a driver and ignorance of race situations and less people trying to be dicks most of the time and I dont mean that in a negative way. Only that they dont know any better and no one has taught them the proper way to pass.
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Post by parksguard on Jun 30, 2014 0:02:01 GMT
parksguard "Sometimes racing means putting the other car in the position that they have to decide to collide or not. Personally car B has the racing line. He should keep it. If car A wants to try to overtake on the inside he will crash the two. " I disagree with this. There are more than one racing line imo. Of course there is a best line. Essentially your hotlap line, its different in a real race and when you get side by side like that the line evolves. I cant blame the inside car in the OP bc they took a defensive line and had position. Its not like in the video you posted where the guy is trailing and clearly should have yielded. In this scenario both cars are side by side and you have to give each other a little space through the corner. With that said the outside car is in control. He merely needs to make sure he comes out of the corner faster which can be achieved in a few ways. Slowing down before the turn to stay on the racing line and attempting a pass on the straight because you are able to carry more speed through the corner or the other that jumps out to me would be take the outside line. Since this is a left hand turn if you can equal the other cars speed through the turn and stay side by side going into the next turn (a right hand turn for sake of argument) you may be able to take a defensive line and force the inside car to either yield or go outside like he did to you. Hence a battle for position and a clean one I might add. Either way making contact and using the excuse Im on the racing line is SUPER annoying and I hear it a lot. Its really the worst type of pitting in NoDo at the moment because these are generally fast drivers who have convinced themselves they are doing nothing wrong at all. Some contact is fine, a little door to door isnt going to end someones race but when you hit someone and send them flipping off the track bc you just go balls out on the racing line with no regard for other cars on the track... you gotta know you were in the wrong. That car didnt flip/spin itself. Fooling yourself into believing a wreck isnt your fault turns an accident into a reoccurring problem and thats when people start getting pissed off and messaging admins about you saying you are a dirty racer. I think its immaturity as a driver and ignorance of race situations and less people trying to be dicks most of the time and I dont mean that in a negative way. Only that they dont know any better and no one has taught them the proper way to pass. Do not get me wrong, avoiding a crash is the correct thing to do. However, it should be the person on the inside to concede. Occasionally being aggressive in a race can get you the win. It is not like people who decide that to PIT other drivers.
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Post by Trowa on Jun 30, 2014 0:06:39 GMT
Why should Car A concede when they are even with the car on the outside? Car A fairly has won the inside line and has position. If it happens like Senna in the video did then you are absolutely 100% correct but when you are side by side you dont slow down and give position away. Thats where he would of had a point but thats not how it happened for Senna. In our scenario both cars are occupying space, space that was earned not given and with 2 skilled racers they should both be able to either get through the corner together more or less. Or the outside driver who is the one with more options can use a clever race maneuver to make a clean pass coming out of the turn. Surrendering position when you are even with someone isnt the smartest thing to do unless you are going up against unskilled drivers. In which case its only smart for the sake of staying in the race and avoiding being pitted
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Post by parksguard on Jun 30, 2014 0:15:57 GMT
True. I would need knowledge of the other racer, Before I made that move. 80% of the time on the outside I would break and take him after the corner, but the other 20% I keep the racing line and force the other driver to break. If I were racing myself I would probably aggress on the outside because normally I break to avoid contact.
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Post by Hale on Jun 30, 2014 1:11:28 GMT
The car I'm in has right of way. End of. Also Senna made it a deliberate crash. So.its a useless point to make
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Post by haydugjr on Jun 30, 2014 2:26:47 GMT
Sometimes racing is not that simple. Look at Senna v Prost in the 1990 Japanese GP. In the first corner they collide as Senna tries to take Prost on the inside. Senna does not brake during this maneuver. Sometimes racing means putting the other car in the position that they have to decide to collide or not. Personally car B has the racing line. He should keep it. If car A wants to try to overtake on the inside he will crash the two. It is a mind game If either car gives way to the other then the car that concedes will be in the one down position the entire time because the car who took the risk and won will be able to do the same thing for the rest of the race. That other car will likely always back down after an incident like that. The crash youtu.be/SvSgJDIsRncSenna's interview youtu.be/CgSe1CUa3SAHaven't scrolled past this but this is not a great example to use. Senna got pole the year before on this track, they put him off the line with good traction and he lost the lead before the first corner. He complained to the FIA before and after the race. He earned pole again in 1990. They did the exact same thing, putting Prost on the good line and boning Senna even though he qualified first. If Senna and Prost both DNFed this race Senna would win the championship. So Senna made the previous two years right by taking Prost out. It becomes a lot more obvious what happened with some background info.
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Post by Hale on Jun 30, 2014 2:30:47 GMT
Stating the obvious award 2014 goes to that guy ^^^^^
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Post by haydugjr on Jun 30, 2014 2:37:01 GMT
Stating the obvious award 2014 goes to that guy ^^^^^ Shhhh I was excited to have some F1 knowledge
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