Game mechanic explanation and tech (technical terms used!)

I just tested a bit and it is indeed placebo. I stripped my car completely from visual upgrades and I noticed no difference at all. Not in driving nor in times. I have no idea who that neo scrub is, so I dont value his findings as reliable. You probably feel the same about my opinion, but I felt no difference at all.

But unfortunately that doesn't mean that he's right.

It's no placebo... everyone that i told this from my friends say its right. theyre all quicker by seconds...

I call everyone a scrub, no rags intended there  

I dont follow shaggy's stuff at all, that may be why.

And as a reminder what the point of my posts and threads are, I'm only aiming for pointing out general cases and rules of the game. The game takes a lot of realistic aspects of vehicle mechanics into account, resulting in behaviour far too complex to say what's good or bad off the top of one's head. That said the game also makes assumptions and simplifications of certain things along with their own twists on some of them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: in its core the physics arent arcadey by nature, it's just set up to feel arcadey. Imagine the handling of go-karts but scaled up to equate a full scaled car in terms of grip, stability, power and speed. If you ever look at the racing from a spectator's point of view the cars arent actually moving that fast at all compared to real cars, just to put into perspective of how well tuned the cars are in terms of feel. To point at an extreme on the other side of the spectrum, check out world record runs of Burnout Paradise where the cars are truly really f@cking fast.

So can we please keep it to observations and testing and not spreading "propaganda" that's far too difficult to back up? Suggestions are fine, just dont go on and on about something with no examples of what to check out. Thanks.

Placebo is a deadly thing.

Us at NoDo do testing quite different here, with guys like Pardonias and Chilli actually working out how physics in the game is supposed to work. In fact discussions on Slack goes into such depth that I enjoy just chatting there.

Neo is top top racer and I respect his opinion, and he is probably right, in the sense that: he is probably going faster (well, otherwise how did he get a faster time? Duh) But that doesn't mean you will go faster or even that there is an objective difference. And note that this is already far from proving the general statement: the differences are making you go faster, nothing else. To at least have some sort of evidence for such claims, you need to point out 1. how or why it would drive differently (so we can test it) or 2. show some replicable test that is statistically different.

I understand for suspensions and spoilers, obviously people seem to feel them lot more immediately and I can totally understand people discussing them without the rigour described above. But please not for things like skirts or different rims in same class.

EDIT: to clarify, I think as far as it comes to placebos, Broughy said it the best: if you think it makes you go faster, you must have it. Period. But for this thread, we need very good research.

Only rear wheel drive cars are capable of doing a mid drive speed boost.