alphapapa
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Post by alphapapa on Jul 2, 2015 12:19:04 GMT
What's the correct etiquette if you come into a corner chasing someone on the racing line and they brake hard way too early and running into the back of them is completely unavoidable?
It happened to me a couple of times, once they spun out and the second time they went completely over the top of my car as i slid under them. Both occasions I waited but in hindsight is that actually my fault? I'd argue its not. In the real world on the road obviously it is. But in a racing scenario where you have a braking point in mind and someone you are following closely slows to an almost stop way before that point, who is to blame?
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dondeef
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Post by dondeef on Jul 2, 2015 12:34:17 GMT
What's the correct etiquette if you come into a corner chasing someone on the racing line and they brake hard way too early and running into the back of them is completely unavoidable? It happened to me a couple of times, once they spun out and the second time they went completely over the top of my car as i slid under them. Both occasions I waited but in hindsight is that actually my fault? I'd argue its not. In the real world on the road obviously it is. But in a racing scenario where you have a braking point in mind and someone you are following closely slows to an almost stop way before that point, who is to blame? I would say you are. The car in front can drive the way (s)he thinks is best, even if the break-point is too early or if (s)he think oversteering through the turn works best for them. As the car in back you're responsible for having enough distance so you can react to scenario's.
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Post by cloudmcshort on Jul 2, 2015 12:34:53 GMT
What's the correct etiquette if you come into a corner chasing someone on the racing line and they brake hard way too early and running into the back of them is completely unavoidable? It happened to me a couple of times, once they spun out and the second time they went completely over the top of my car as i slid under them. Both occasions I waited but in hindsight is that actually my fault? I'd argue its not. In the real world on the road obviously it is. But in a racing scenario where you have a braking point in mind and someone you are following closely slows to an almost stop way before that point, who is to blame? I would say that you're still at fault because it is actually avoidable. You need to expect them to brake, you need to keep distance between you and the car in front so you can react to their braking point. If you don't, you are to blame for the accident. The person in front perhaps didn't even know you were there. You see more if you're behind, the person in front needs to look back in order to see you and that's really stupid to do right before a corner. Though, if you were side by side with the person and they didn't give you enough space, it's their fault. If you're following someone, keep distance to avoid any type of accident.
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M33SHY "Mesh"
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Post by M33SHY "Mesh" on Jul 2, 2015 12:39:20 GMT
What's the correct etiquette if you come into a corner chasing someone on the racing line and they brake hard way too early and running into the back of them is completely unavoidable? It happened to me a couple of times, once they spun out and the second time they went completely over the top of my car as i slid under them. Both occasions I waited but in hindsight is that actually my fault? I'd argue its not. In the real world on the road obviously it is. But in a racing scenario where you have a braking point in mind and someone you are following closely slows to an almost stop way before that point, who is to blame? I'd advise not breathing down their neck in "their" racing line so close to a corner, give em some space (even if you want to take exactly the same path). Instead take a different line through the apex and try do an overtake during/after the turn. The scenario you just described would have been perfect to take advantage of too, since he was breaking too early = slow through the corner. To answer your question. Yes, it's your fault in a scenario like that. EDIT: woops, you guys responded similar quicker cloudmcshort dondeef
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 12:50:56 GMT
What's the correct etiquette if you come into a corner chasing someone on the racing line and they brake hard way too early and running into the back of them is completely unavoidable? It happened to me a couple of times, once they spun out and the second time they went completely over the top of my car as i slid under them. Both occasions I waited but in hindsight is that actually my fault? I'd argue its not. In the real world on the road obviously it is. But in a racing scenario where you have a braking point in mind and someone you are following closely slows to an almost stop way before that point, who is to blame? What I'm about to say is not optimal, but a good backup plan if a driver's breaking point surprises you. What I do from time to time, is simply to take a line parallel to his. This way you won't bump his rear end if he break too early for you to react to. This will compromise your speed through that corner, but it is necessary sometimes to avoid a collision. Another thing about breaking, if he breaks on the middle of a straight the fault will be his not yours. It's only when you approach a turn that you have the responsibility to keep your distance.
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alphapapa
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Post by alphapapa on Jul 2, 2015 13:00:39 GMT
I am not talking about just before the corner, i mean waaaaay before the corner almost like you are being brake tested, cash for crash stylee . Had we been on our way into the corner or even setting up for the corner then obviously i would have moved to the side and tried a different line. I guess i better keep my distance in future.
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Post by .fiyah on Jul 2, 2015 14:02:51 GMT
says the guy that flew into him ruining his rudders :P whaaaaaaaaat. That was a perfect landing on a moving plane
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Post by nfsshadow on Jul 2, 2015 17:03:03 GMT
says the guy that flew into him ruining his rudders whaaaaaaaaat. That was a perfect landing on a moving plane you were hanging in the guy's tailwing
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ShermanCG
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Post by ShermanCG on Jul 3, 2015 9:18:11 GMT
Damn I'd love to join but this is 7am Hawaii time T_T
Maybe I need to convert to a morning person and I can join in. It's a good reason to wake up at 7am...
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dondeef
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Post by dondeef on Jul 3, 2015 9:36:13 GMT
It's really nice to have these daily playlist races with many, many people. I think that for the past week there were over 20 people every day. For this reason, I would like to suggest a small change in the playlist setup (mainly directed at meetmypyro). Considering the high amount of crashes and traffic it becomes harder and harder to get a good ending position. This counts especially for shorter races. This is considering we're doing about 10-12 races, each last about 10 minutes. Therefore, I would like to suggest to do fewer, but longer races. This will allow the playing field to get a bit more stretched. There will be other mechanics involved, such as lapping the last car and having more space to do battles/overtakes. The main reason for this suggestion is that around 10 minutes into a race people only start having proper battles mid-pack. Since up until that point the mid-pack tends to be a bit too concentrated, which makes it hard to have proper battles. I would say having 7 or 8 races between 15 and 20 minutes will have a positive impact on semi-competitive racing. This will also allow people that race a certain track for the first time to feel the track for the first couple of laps before flooring it through the proper turns. Hope we can get a discussion going on this, whether or not it's worth the change and what the advantages and disadvantages would be about this setup. tl;dr let's do fewer and longer races instead of more shorter races.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 10:26:02 GMT
dondeef I'm a big fan of this. Personally I'm in favor of longer races. But I believe that making a change with fewer but longer races will definitely help people get back into the race after an unfortunate start. I haven't participated much in the daily, mostly because getting taken out/getting caught in the first corner every 2nd or 3rd race is REALLY frustrating when what you love is being competitive (not saying that you have to, NoDo is for everyone). This might help on that part. Playing the devil's advocate, most people might not like this idea. There was a thread some weeks/months ago (which I've failed to find in the archives) that asked what race length people preferred and most people answered 10 or 15 minutes rather than 20 or 30+. But again, that was answers from across all platforms, the PC crew on its own might generally have a different opinion.
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Post by Sugar_Free_Nos on Jul 3, 2015 10:38:34 GMT
If Pyro were to change up the length and have fewer tracks, in my opinion the even semi non-serious tracks would have to be the ones to go. It's hard to get through 10min of most of them, so I certainly wouldn't want 15.
But, it is ultimately up to Pyro because it is his playlist.
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Ganjalo
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Post by Ganjalo on Jul 3, 2015 11:19:09 GMT
I'm not sure if the playlist format has to change but I think it's worth giving a try at different setups. Pyro you know that you can count on us if you need help organising more stuff
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M33SHY "Mesh"
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Post by M33SHY "Mesh" on Jul 3, 2015 11:42:57 GMT
Not a bad idea.
"Oh man, if I'd have had just 1 more lap I might have been able to climb x amount of positions, to make up for the "first corner aids" and the guy that accidently rammed me on the second to last lap..."
I've been left with that sort of feeling a few times I'll admit.
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Post by __Gandhi__ on Jul 3, 2015 12:15:56 GMT
Why not start another playlist at a different time ? 8 at 20 minutes would 2 2/3 hours. meetmypyro may not have that amount of time to spare ? Longer races are also going to mean more DNF's for the back markers like me. With shorter races it's easier to drop in and out of the playlist as time allows. I'm not discounting your opinions at all but just think more playlists with different formats would be better than petitioning to change the only one we've got atm
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