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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 9:10:27 GMT
Is there some actual data how much different setups can affect laptimes? If there is I've not seen any other than off road tyres improving lap times. A lot of it all comes down to feel and it's incredibly difficult to prove your laptime/PB has improved because of the changes you've made to the car and not down to you optimising your lines, breaking and accelerating more efficiently etc. At the end of the day it's all theory nobody can prove any of this, but you can try it yourself and make your own mind up. |
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Post by weirdtwitter on Feb 7, 2017 9:12:35 GMT
Is there some actual data how much different setups can affect laptimes? in the majority of cases setups like these aren't necessarily about going faster. It's about making the car more enjoyable to drive. Of course, there will be some minor laptime differences but at the end of the day a better setup will never beat a better driver. You just said a very important thing. Indeed, a better setup will never beat a better driver, however, conversely then, if you had two drivers who were very similar pace.... ...Because, to me, it's about consistency. For example, I have a setup on my elegy (hated the car until this setup) that doesn't make me go faster, but it does make me able to keep hold of the car better and control is with more consistent outcomes, sooooo.... If we have two drivers of very similar pace, one in a car they are very comfortable in and can predict the under/over steer etc, and one driver in a car they hate driving that slides out a lot cos they have shitty tyre choice or something on it, then the first guy will be "quicker". That's basically the whole idea of the thread, I know setups won't make me faster, but they'll help with making things easier  Good point. |
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Post by Prrevil on Feb 7, 2017 14:19:48 GMT
Ok, thanks for answers. I was just curious if some professional driver who knows his/her driving lines and whose laptimes vary no more than few tenths of a second had tested different setups and made some documentation about. |
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Post by SteveJEWBZ on Feb 7, 2017 14:48:21 GMT
I popped the stock suspension on the 811 after having competition suspension on it and I noticed a world of difference. Still not a good car to drive but it is actually manageable to an extent now.
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Post by TheEntraP3 on Feb 8, 2017 17:36:54 GMT
You guys make this so complicated. With the very little time I've spent actually investigated the actual handling files, this is all just luck-based placebo effects. Only none-placebo-effect is tire profile. Higher profile means your car will, in fact, handle rougher terrain better, and you should stick to muscle, tuner, or offroad wheels on any racing setup, however regarding changing around the type of wheel you use or the specific body modifications you use, this isn't Forza, R* didn't really program in any changes in performance based on what mod you did to a car, excluding putting a spoiler on a car or lowering the car's suspension. Suspension lowers the CG, which can be helpful, and it also allows less wheel clearance, which means less body roll and higher lateral G values.
R* seems to have programmed the game to be more hypothetical, with only spoilers, engine upgrades and small little details like tire profile, affecting the perfomance of a car. Stop taking sugar-pills and start O/D'ing on file data!
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Post by jeffreyb1990 on Feb 8, 2017 18:00:18 GMT
You guys make this so complicated. With the very little time I've spent actually investigated the actual handling files, this is all just luck-based placebo effects. Only none-placebo-effect is tire profile. Higher profile means your car will, in fact, handle rougher terrain better, and you should stick to muscle, tuner, or offroad wheels on any racing setup, however regarding changing around the type of wheel you use or the specific body modifications you use, this isn't Forza, R* didn't really program in any changes in performance based on what mod you did to a car, excluding putting a spoiler on a car or lowering the car's suspension. Suspension lowers the CG, which can be helpful, and it also allows less wheel clearance, which means less body roll and higher lateral G values. R* seems to have programmed the game to be more hypothetical, with only spoilers, engine upgrades and small little details like tire profile, affecting the perfomance of a car. Stop taking sugar-pills and start O/D'ing on file data! Scum... (love you guys <3) You're wrong. Tires definitely have different effects. CHILLI is our expert on this and can probably explain it. |
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Post by mrboxman1 on Feb 8, 2017 19:08:44 GMT
A more productive way to become faster is to spend the time you would trying to get a good set up.. is actually racing and learning tricks to become faster/more consistent.
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Post by Blade died for our sins on Feb 8, 2017 19:13:13 GMT
A more productive way to become faster is to spend the time you would trying to get a good set up.. is actually racing and learning tricks to become faster/more consistent. Changing the setup is mostly so you can become more consistent. Most people I know playing about with this kind of stuff are already very experienced racers |
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Post by SteveJEWBZ on Feb 8, 2017 22:32:05 GMT
You guys make this so complicated. With the very little time I've spent actually investigated the actual handling files, this is all just luck-based placebo effects. Only none-placebo-effect is tire profile. Higher profile means your car will, in fact, handle rougher terrain better, and you should stick to muscle, tuner, or offroad wheels on any racing setup, however regarding changing around the type of wheel you use or the specific body modifications you use, this isn't Forza, R* didn't really program in any changes in performance based on what mod you did to a car, excluding putting a spoiler on a car or lowering the car's suspension. Suspension lowers the CG, which can be helpful, and it also allows less wheel clearance, which means less body roll and higher lateral G values. R* seems to have programmed the game to be more hypothetical, with only spoilers, engine upgrades and small little details like tire profile, affecting the perfomance of a car. Stop taking sugar-pills and start O/D'ing on file data! Scum... (love you guys <3) yeah... saying all this with no amount of proof or information to back up your claim doesn't really do you any good. |
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Post by TheEntraP3 on Feb 9, 2017 1:02:24 GMT
You guys make this so complicated. With the very little time I've spent actually investigated the actual handling files, this is all just luck-based placebo effects. Only none-placebo-effect is tire profile. Higher profile means your car will, in fact, handle rougher terrain better, and you should stick to muscle, tuner, or offroad wheels on any racing setup, however regarding changing around the type of wheel you use or the specific body modifications you use, this isn't Forza, R* didn't really program in any changes in performance based on what mod you did to a car, excluding putting a spoiler on a car or lowering the car's suspension. Suspension lowers the CG, which can be helpful, and it also allows less wheel clearance, which means less body roll and higher lateral G values. R* seems to have programmed the game to be more hypothetical, with only spoilers, engine upgrades and small little details like tire profile, affecting the perfomance of a car. Stop taking sugar-pills and start O/D'ing on file data! Scum... (love you guys <3) yeah... saying all this with no amount of proof or information to back up your claim doesn't really do you any good. Yes you have a point, but it'd be hard to paste pages of code proving my point into the forums, plus to do so and find and highlight the spots I'm referring to would require time I don't have. Feel free to bring me actual evidence in the game's code and I'll believe you. I'm still skeptical that these setups actually do anything. |
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Post by drknut on Feb 9, 2017 4:25:33 GMT
Have you read the extensive documents and explanations linked in the first few posts?
Or are you just late to the party and try to own it anyway?
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Post by Blade died for our sins on Feb 9, 2017 6:32:20 GMT
yeah... saying all this with no amount of proof or information to back up your claim doesn't really do you any good. Yes you have a point, but it'd be hard to paste pages of code proving my point into the forums, plus to do so and find and highlight the spots I'm referring to would require time I don't have. Feel free to bring me actual evidence in the game's code and I'll believe you. I'm still skeptical that these setups actually do anything. The evidence is mostly locked away in either encrypted files or the exe itself |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 11:33:51 GMT
To further this discussion it has been said before there are certain cars that perform with certain spoilers (typically not the first spoiler on the list) i.e. both the Osiris and Turismo are better with the second spoiler. Anyone have/know of any others?
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Post by KingBlazeIV on Feb 9, 2017 16:28:30 GMT
In the jester I find the two small spoilers much better than that stupid massive table top that just causes snappy over steer in some situations
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Post by equationunequal on Feb 9, 2017 16:56:19 GMT
To further this discussion it has been said before there are certain cars that perform with certain spoilers (typically not the first spoiler on the list) i.e. both the Osiris and Turismo are better with the second spoiler. Anyone have/know of any others? I wouldn't say they're necessarily better with the seconds spoiler as it mostly boils down to personal preference. I prefer the handling with the higher spoilers on the Massacro and the Turismo for example, but I know other people prefer the lower spoiler... |
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