longerz
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Registered on: July 2016
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Post by longerz on Aug 2, 2016 16:25:34 GMT
Please put up an easy post so that we can get an invite back to the crew i only joined last week....
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DanniV8
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Registered on: May 2015
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Post by DanniV8 on Aug 2, 2016 21:16:15 GMT
Please don't purge me! I know I've not been active on the forums or the weekly races. It just so happens that the weekly races just don't work for me during the summer time. Car rentals are insanely busy. I'll be back with full force in about september/október Don't worry about not being active on the forums. Just try to be online once or twice a week and do the things that are necessary (if there are any), then nothing should happen. As soon as the crew gets purged this Wednesday, you can rejoin the crew on SC. Make sure to follow these instructions and you'll promoted to the rank of a representative. This rank protects you from the monthly purges in 95% of the cases. The commissioners are currently working on a new system, but up until then there's not a lot you can do (even if you were more active) other than following their instructions on "how not to get purged". I already was representative and had been for months. I go online every time I can and join other Nodo players, although I couldn't join the daily playlist as I am still at work when it starts and when I get home I have to cook or help to cook dinner, because life. Still got purged and can't get back in because it's full. Thanks a lot.
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Regaman101
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Registered on: February 2016
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Post by Regaman101 on Aug 2, 2016 21:38:57 GMT
There's a large number of people who never use the forums, never use teamspeak, and never get promoted. I've named them 'serial muscles', and they come for finding races with randoms which is fine, but it's something we're thinking of addressing. After the last Representative Purge I (a former Rep.) came to realize that I am very much like these "serial muscles". As a result I never re-registered, and probably will not. Since it is not necessary to be a member of the crew to participate in events so long as the player registers for them on the forums, I would recommend that people who rarely participate in any activities or events with the crew just use the forums and have some crew members on their R* friend list. This could possibly help with the overwhelming amount of crew members like myself who never really interacted with NODO members unless it was an event.
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Post by FriendlyBaron on Aug 3, 2016 4:38:39 GMT
Just FYI the purge will happen in around 24 hours, I'll be home late tomorrow
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Post by KoBo_043 on Aug 3, 2016 6:37:14 GMT
Don't worry about not being active on the forums. Just try to be online once or twice a week and do the things that are necessary (if there are any), then nothing should happen. As soon as the crew gets purged this Wednesday, you can rejoin the crew on SC. Make sure to follow these instructions and you'll promoted to the rank of a representative. This rank protects you from the monthly purges in 95% of the cases. The commissioners are currently working on a new system, but up until then there's not a lot you can do (even if you were more active) other than following their instructions on "how not to get purged". I already was representative and had been for months. I go online every time I can and join other Nodo players, although I couldn't join the daily playlist as I am still at work when it starts and when I get home I have to cook or help to cook dinner, because life. Still got purged and can't get back in because it's full. Thanks a lot. There has been a Representative purge not long ago. Just re-join after the next purge, and re-post in the promotionsthread. Representative purges will always be annoumced well in advance, so if you just check the forums every week or 2, you should be fine. And even if you should get purged again, you can always come back, it's nothing personal
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theentrap
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Registered on: July 2016
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Post by theentrap on Aug 3, 2016 7:10:51 GMT
Alright, so the major issue is the Commissioners feel like there will be too much work for them if the NoDo PC crew became I.O. From my experience as an admin of several Minecraft servers and having to work constantly while online, I know how much work being an Admin equivalent can be. However, the simple solution is introducing another rank: Moderators. The sole purpose of a moderator is to be present to complete all the work that a Commissioner is too busy to complete, such as processing invites and applications. Since there will need to be more Moderators than Commissioners for this system to work optimally, there will be a large supply of staff capable of processing applications, which will lessen the work load, and there can also be more staff at hand to manage the crews and the forums. There can be some process for applying for moderator, whether it be through an essay, interview, blah blah blah, or just checking off boxes of what criteria one meets, I'll leave that up to the Commissioners. But the I.O. option appears to not be needed yet, but for when it is, I would like the Commissioners to all consider and discuss creating a second staff ranking.
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Post by Jackimo on Aug 3, 2016 7:24:16 GMT
Well, at the moment we have lieutenants, which is an entirely arbitrary title. They could be in charge of processing invites
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Post by KoBo_043 on Aug 3, 2016 8:59:51 GMT
Alright, so the major issue is the Commissioners feel like there will be too much work for them if the NoDo PC crew became I.O. From my experience as an admin of several Minecraft servers and having to work constantly while online, I know how much work being an Admin equivalent can be. However, the simple solution is introducing another rank: Moderators. The sole purpose of a moderator is to be present to complete all the work that a Commissioner is too busy to complete, such as processing invites and applications. Since there will need to be more Moderators than Commissioners for this system to work optimally, there will be a large supply of staff capable of processing applications, which will lessen the work load, and there can also be more staff at hand to manage the crews and the forums. There can be some process for applying for moderator, whether it be through an essay, interview, blah blah blah, or just checking off boxes of what criteria one meets, I'll leave that up to the Commissioners. But the I.O. option appears to not be needed yet, but for when it is, I would like the Commissioners to all consider and discuss creating a second staff ranking. It's not only the workload. Workload could be divided amongst all of the present Comm's. If needed we all have access to all of the crews for each platform. Main reason we want the crew to remain open to join, is to keep the threshold low for new members, and to not come across as elitist. A lot of people (including myself) joined because of that low threshold. And as Jackimo said, Lt. is currently not an "active" rank, meaning it get's appointed as some sort of reward to those that are most active, helpfull, loyal, or otherwise made a big contribution to the community.
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Post by endersai on Aug 3, 2016 23:28:03 GMT
But, in practical terms, how is that different to having an R*SC message saying register at forums to get the invite? We do this anyway. Random joins NoDo. Random either a) Registers on forum, gets involved, gets promoted to rep, stays. OR b) Ignores that shit and gets purged every 6 days. So you basically enforce the forum route anyway... 1. Requires extra effort for us Comm's 2. Makes the threshold to join higher (which I admit isn't persé a bad thing, but it IS what makes the crew appealing to everyone.
Does it though?
Right now you still have to go through a promotion based process which requires people who actually read the instruction on SC to register here and link their profile.
If the process included a signup here, and people could elect for a Muscle role (I just want to race cleanly) or a Representative role (I want to get involved in playlists and events and be active in the NoDo community), then you're actually able to streamline things a bit.
And being open might be attractive but it's allowing people to join, get kicked, rejoin, get kicked every couple of weeks. It's not working.
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Post by FriendlyBaron on Aug 4, 2016 4:26:48 GMT
The purge is now complete, feel free to join now! 1. Requires extra effort for us Comm's 2. Makes the threshold to join higher (which I admit isn't persé a bad thing, but it IS what makes the crew appealing to everyone.
Does it though?
Right now you still have to go through a promotion based process which requires people who actually read the instruction on SC to register here and link their profile.
If the process included a signup here, and people could elect for a Muscle role (I just want to race cleanly) or a Representative role (I want to get involved in playlists and events and be active in the NoDo community), then you're actually able to streamline things a bit.
And being open might be attractive but it's allowing people to join, get kicked, rejoin, get kicked every couple of weeks. It's not working.
1. I don't think it's more work to do invites, actually, especially with SocialTool's help. 2. The route we go down for PC is largely going to depend on how quickly we fill up this time around. If it fills up super fast again, around a week, then we're probably going to have to move into a 2-crew scenario as no other good options have come up.
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Post by endersai on Aug 4, 2016 4:34:57 GMT
You just kicked 600 people.
They're not all going to race but if you open a second crew... you dilute the purpose of NoDo.
Invite only for PC could work really well.
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Post by endersai on Aug 4, 2016 4:50:18 GMT
Let me be clear though - what I am suggesting is not intended to make NoDo more elitist. It's to ensure people who join are interested in clean racing and who might be assets to the PC community. People who want to be considered best mates with Broughy, or whatever, aren't going to make that first step of effort.
Now, the current model is:
Signup (open to all) -> register at forum -> follow steps:
If Yes, go to Representative If No, stay Muscle and get purged.
What I am saying is:
Signup (invite only) -> Register at forums -> Ask to be muscle (just want to get random invites to clean races) or representative (I will be an active member of the community). Guidelines are clear - nothing stops a Muscle moving up to Rep, but if a Rep is not active in events or playlists etc they can be demoted/purged whatever.
We are going to be a popular target for new members because our crew head is a prolific YouTuber whose head, unlike many others (YES I MEAN YOU MRBOSSGTFO), does not have his head up his bottom. And we promote clean racing.
Nothing I'm suggested changes this, it just ensures people who are committed to clean racing will join. That's all.
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Post by Jackimo on Aug 4, 2016 5:07:36 GMT
I agree with almost everything endersai said except one thing. New members shouldn't elect to be muscle or representative. Instead I think the title of representative should be given to those that have shown they can be a part of the community by having participated in an event. So in this system, members would ask for an invite and join as a muscle. After they have completed an event, without incident, they can get promoted to representative, allowing them to host events, etc.
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Post by endersai on Aug 4, 2016 5:30:01 GMT
Yeah that'd work too.
I get we like the idea of an open crew. But we have to compromise as it's clear beyond doubt that the system isn't working.
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Post by Skirakzalus on Aug 5, 2016 4:33:47 GMT
How about instead of announcing the purge, waiting a week, and having a big discussion, the crew just immediately gets purged at 1000? No delay. Surely that would take less work, and it would drastically reduce the window where no one is able to join. It also reduces the downside of having a 1000 member limit. A delayed purge is really only necessary for Representatives. From what I've seen the crew went from 400 to 600 in about a day. If this would be a steady rate, there'd be 2 purges a week (which seems way to often). The discussion is more about how to avoid exactly that. But in general I agree, a muscle purge isn't that big of a deal, most people (serial muscles) should be familiar with that process anyways.
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