drpepperz97
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Post by drpepperz97 on Jun 1, 2017 1:02:23 GMT
My only suggestion is that people who actually deserve it get in, not get in because they'll make a class more competitive. I felt like that was the case in Season 3, especially in GT1. You want to pick guys who you can be certain will be there throughout the Championship regardless of how quick they are. I think about half of GT1 quit the championship last year.
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Post by Brady on Jun 1, 2017 1:03:18 GMT
Just so I can confirm for alot of people who put this. Weekly Endurance Race Events count in the event you must provide you were in? As the host I find it important as many people involved have used Brady's Weekly Endurance Races as that event. So if it doesn't count, I'd like to be able to inform everyone who is involved/put BWER as the event for the form.  Of course I see no reason why it shouldn't count, doesn't effect my form entry, but there is alot of uncertainty on slack about this so I'd like to be able to clarify it for the people who would be effected if does not. Broughy1322 and or any other people who can answer this. |
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 1:12:33 GMT
in my opinion i think that doom was right because to find a good setup you need to spend lot of time trying everything on the cars , but we have a life mate and there is a lot of events going on so this will not be the only event that we're gonna be attending , too many championship , so i guess a setup for everyone that what determine a good player from another If you can't commit the time, don't sign up. This is a terrible excuse, especially as we now have WEEKS between races. We're talking about milliseconds over letting drivers choose setups that will be fun for them. If you don't work it you for yourself, it's not going to make a real difference as it only really affects the drivers right at the top level. If you're better than the other guy, your setup won't make a material difference apart from in quality of life, so there's no need for overzealous restriction. People think different body mods are the be all and end all. At the end of the day, we'll all have the same acceleration, top speed and traction. The same limitations and the same tool set. A different wing won't magically make the car a second a lap faster, but it could make it nicer to drive for an hour and a half. |
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Post by majorcopyright on Jun 1, 2017 1:28:40 GMT
Sign me up Broogles. I'll spam the sign up form right now. |
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Post by razorr8 on Jun 1, 2017 1:33:04 GMT
in my opinion i think that doom was right because to find a good setup you need to spend lot of time trying everything on the cars , but we have a life mate and there is a lot of events going on so this will not be the only event that we're gonna be attending , too many championship , so i guess a setup for everyone that what determine a good player from another If you can't commit the time, don't sign up. This is a terrible excuse, especially as we now have WEEKS between races. We're talking about milliseconds over letting drivers choose setups that will be fun for them. If you don't work it you for yourself, it's not going to make a real difference as it only really affects the drivers right at the top level. If you're better than the other guy, your setup won't make a material difference apart from in quality of life, so there's no need for overzealous restriction. People think different body mods are the be all and end all. At the end of the day, we'll all have the same acceleration, top speed and traction. The same limitations and the same tool set. A different wing won't magically make the car a second a lap faster, but it could make it nicer to drive for an hour and a half. so you think that adding neons or different bumpers or suspensions and using different wheels won't make any difference ?? |
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Post by jt33396 on Jun 1, 2017 1:39:45 GMT
If you can't commit the time, don't sign up. This is a terrible excuse, especially as we now have WEEKS between races. We're talking about milliseconds over letting drivers choose setups that will be fun for them. If you don't work it you for yourself, it's not going to make a real difference as it only really affects the drivers right at the top level. If you're better than the other guy, your setup won't make a material difference apart from in quality of life, so there's no need for overzealous restriction. People think different body mods are the be all and end all. At the end of the day, we'll all have the same acceleration, top speed and traction. The same limitations and the same tool set. A different wing won't magically make the car a second a lap faster, but it could make it nicer to drive for an hour and a half. so you think that adding neons or different bumpers or suspensions and using different wheels won't make any difference ?? It'll make a difference but only at the extreme high level, and only milliseconds. You could argue that milliseconds over an 1:30 race adds up, but no one will be able to consistently put down the same lap times over and over with rain, darkness, other classes, lapped traffic, and pit stops. |
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 1:45:40 GMT
If you can't commit the time, don't sign up. This is a terrible excuse, especially as we now have WEEKS between races. We're talking about milliseconds over letting drivers choose setups that will be fun for them. If you don't work it you for yourself, it's not going to make a real difference as it only really affects the drivers right at the top level. If you're better than the other guy, your setup won't make a material difference apart from in quality of life, so there's no need for overzealous restriction. People think different body mods are the be all and end all. At the end of the day, we'll all have the same acceleration, top speed and traction. The same limitations and the same tool set. A different wing won't magically make the car a second a lap faster, but it could make it nicer to drive for an hour and a half. so you think that adding neons or different bumpers or suspensions and using different wheels won't make any difference ?? Okay so clearly you didn't properly read what I said. The changes are minuscule and do not affect a cars performance stats. The differences they amount to are small comfort changes and nothing greater. TCC Cars are slightly different with their rims, but my point stands for everything else. I would have no more power or traction than you, and shifting a cars' CoM will make small differences in how the car feels, but will not make it faster. It's different for everyone and we all have our own preferences. There is no one fastest setup for any car and to suggest otherwise is sensationalist at best. Most (including myself for the most part) consider the differences to be mostly placebo anyway. Even broughy has said similar on the matter in previous fact-finding videos. At the end of the day the 'I don't have time' excuse holds no water. We all have stuff going on in our lives but if you can't spare an hour or two in the weeks (YES WEEKS) between races and after the cars are announced then clearly you don't have the time to spare for this event anyway and should probably let someone more committed have a permanent spot. Don't hamper the rest of us because it's inconvenient for you to spend some time preparing. |
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Post by minyxtempahh on Jun 1, 2017 1:45:45 GMT
I've been in the Scene since the start and never done an MCEC! Would appreciate being picked for this one
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Post by AjAxel10 on Jun 1, 2017 1:53:35 GMT
Since we started a discussion thread a few days ago, I've seen quite a few suggestions come up there so I thought I'd give a bit of a summary of the things that were discussed there. These were just some suggestions from other people: - Off-road track for the off-roads class. - Taking track submissions from participants on each platform. - Avoid stunt tracks where constant curb surfing will be a thing. - Have the drivers in each GT vote on a small selection of cars. - Using mostly new cars that we haven't seen in previous seasons - Stay away from cars that have the ability to wiggle boost (Rumpo Custom, Brioso R/A, Kuruma's, ....?) - Improvement on GT allocations of drivers to make races within a class more balanced. - Selecting drivers who are known to finish championships and not drop out or ragequit from races. There were some other suggestions too about things like tracks and car classes, but those aren't relevant anymore now we have some more information. Broughy1322 If I understood correctly, this is what you asked for when you posted in that discussion thread right? |
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Post by JettaArts on Jun 1, 2017 2:12:35 GMT
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
They're like, it's better than yours
Damn right, it's better than yours
I'll teach you but I'll have to charge
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 2:14:19 GMT
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard They're like, it's better than yours Damn right, it's better than yours I'll teach you but I'll have to charge milk me daddy |
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Post by bladecruiser on Jun 1, 2017 2:41:39 GMT
*snip so its not a wall of text* The whole idea that making a car easier to drive isn't going to make it faster for the person driving it is absolutely ludicrous. There's a reason that people drive the Nero Custom over other cars that are actually faster in every aspect, and that reason is that it's easier to reach the maximum potential of the car. The X80 is better in almost every measurable aspect, except that it's an absolute handful to drive. How many times do you see people driving the X80? Not as many times as you see people driving the Nero Custom. This is also why the Nero Custom is often suggested to newer racers as the car of choice, since it is easy to drive and be consistent with. Wheels for each class and body mods for some cars were restricted last season. The body mods were for visual purposes, but the wheels were restricted due to the knowledge of them changing aspects of the cars or providing bonuses to some cars but not others (TCC flag being the main culprit here). I don't see why other mods that do similar things, even if those things are smaller in nature, would not also be restricted in a similar manner. Off road wheels don't change any measurable stat of any car that's equipped with them. You don't accelerate faster. You don't have more traction. You don't have more top speed. All that they do is make the cars with TCC easier to drive. I still think a completely locked setup for each car is the best option here, but it may not be the correct feel for the event, depending on what Broughy1322 wants. It completely eliminates any variable that the car brings and leaves it up to the drivers to get the most out of the cars and perform on the tracks. |
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Post by JettaArts on Jun 1, 2017 2:50:25 GMT
My opinion to all the arguments: Get good.
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 2:55:00 GMT
*snip so its not a wall of text* The whole idea that making a car easier to drive isn't going to make it faster for the person driving it is absolutely ludicrous. There's a reason that people drive the Nero Custom over other cars that are actually faster in every aspect, and that reason is that it's easier to reach the maximum potential of the car. The X80 is better in almost every measurable aspect, except that it's an absolute handful to drive. How many times do you see people driving the X80? Not as many times as you see people driving the Nero Custom. This is also why the Nero Custom is often suggested to newer racers as the car of choice, since it is easy to drive and be consistent with. Wheels for each class and body mods for some cars were restricted last season. The body mods were for visual purposes, but the wheels were restricted due to the knowledge of them changing aspects of the cars or providing bonuses to some cars but not others (TCC flag being the main culprit here). I don't see why other mods that do similar things, even if those things are smaller in nature, would not also be restricted in a similar manner. Off road wheels don't change any measurable stat of any car that's equipped with them. You don't accelerate faster. You don't have more traction. You don't have more top speed. All that they do is make the cars with TCC easier to drive. I still think a completely locked setup for each car is the best option here, but it may not be the correct feel for the event, depending on what Broughy1322 wants. It completely eliminates any variable that the car brings and leaves it up to the drivers to get the most out of the cars and perform on the tracks. It's the same car being used though so this is a false equivalency. There is no difference in performance, it is all preference. As Baron said, more things go into racing than lap times. Being able to do well with all the tools available to everyone is the mark of a good racing driver, not neutering everyone else to lower the skill ceiling. |
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Post by bladecruiser on Jun 1, 2017 3:07:31 GMT
It's the same car being used though so this is a false equivalency. There is no difference in performance, it is all preference.As Baron said, more things go into racing than lap times. Being able to do well with all the tools available to everyone is the mark of a good racing driver, not neutering everyone else to lower the skill ceiling. If there's no difference in performance, why are we discussing this? There is a difference in performance, but it's not in a directly measurable way like a bonus to acceleration or traction, but in how a driver is able to handle a car. It's an indirect difference in performance, but it's still a difference. |
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