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Post by NicotheRider on Jun 1, 2017 11:51:10 GMT
I wouldn't say that there are more people defending Doom's point. TsupernamiLooked equal to me so far. I think it's lost in translation, from my perspective there were less defending him, and I wanted to show that there were more that hadn't yet commented. If in a group of 300 only 15 have spoken with a split of 5 to 10,I don't think they represent the majority. Ahhh, I see. Didn't understand it correctly, my bad.  Although I agree with the general meaning of that; if people don't/don't want to state their opinions then you shouldn't really take those people into account either. 5 to 10 is certainly not representing everyone, agreed. But it's the same with elections here: If you don't vote for any of the possible persons, then it is not taken into account for the final result either. (Obviously that is just a simplified example on elections here^^) Hope I understood it this time.  |
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Post by Brady on Jun 1, 2017 11:53:07 GMT
"There will be 27 drivers for each platform and they will be chosen >>>based on involvement in NoDo racing events recently<<< and participation in past MCEC seasons, in addition to general good attitude and behaviour." When i signed up i was only able to submit one event even tho i have also been in 3 events so far. (I submitted Tepcott ) I just wanted to say that Tepcott hasn't been my only event. (-Tepcott nodo.freeforums.net/thread/10213/completed-pc-tepcott-season-1 ) My other Events: -My Beer, my burger, my cigarette (http://nodo.freeforums.net/thread/10948/complete-beer-burger-cigarette-27th ) -Too hot to handle (http://nodo.freeforums.net/thread/10696/hot-handle-multiclass-endurance-complete ) You are supposed to fill out the google form linked in the OP with that information where applicable. |
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 1, 2017 11:53:11 GMT
I think it's lost in translation, from my perspective there were less defending him, and I wanted to show that there were more that hadn't yet commented. If in a group of 300 only 15 have spoken with a split of 5 to 10,I don't think they represent the majority. Ahhh, I see. Didn't understand it correctly, my bad. Although I agree with the general meaning of that; if people don't/don't want to state their opinions then you shouldn't really take those people into account either. 5 to 10 is certainly not the majority, agreed. But it's the same with elections here: If you don't vote for any of the possible persons, then it is not taken into account for the final result either. (Obviously that is just a simplified example on elections here^^) Hope I understood it this time. Yea sure, all good. I was just combating someone's point to stop those who had similar opinions from posting, posting in agreement is perfectly fine. Anyway, as you were cadets. Back to the debate. |
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Post by flaminggun7 on Jun 1, 2017 11:54:21 GMT
As I've said you've given the opinion. There's no need to keep going. After about 3 posts there was enough said for Broughy to make a decision. Since then it's been post after post of pretty much what has been said, or what is common knowledge. I'm just saying this will go on forever as the "discussion" is just the same points recycled. Up to you, I'm just trying to show you that point was made long ago, there'd no need to keep stating it. I agree that if old points are just getting reiterated it's a pain to trawl through, but from my perspective it's been weighted in favour of one side. I just wanted to show that there are more people defending doom's original point if Broughy was looking at this democratically. As for new points, this is an endurance race. Therefore the finishing positions should be determined by the quality of the driver, not the details of the car. 1 tenth of a second per 1 minute lap equates to 1 minute 30 in a 1 hour 30 race. That's a huge amount of time. I don't think any person deserves that much of a bonus, simply because they've spent 10 hours perfecting their set up. That would be 9 seconds over a race, not 1m30s. And 9 seconds is not very much over a 90 minute race distance considering how many other factors there are when it comes to driver skill. Setups are not something that just suddenly cuts off some time off your laptime, they will help you like the handling of the car more, which in order makes the driver quicker, not the car. |
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 11:55:34 GMT
As I've said you've given the opinion. There's no need to keep going. After about 3 posts there was enough said for Broughy to make a decision. Since then it's been post after post of pretty much what has been said, or what is common knowledge. I'm just saying this will go on forever as the "discussion" is just the same points recycled. Up to you, I'm just trying to show you that point was made long ago, there'd no need to keep stating it. I agree that if old points are just getting reiterated it's a pain to trawl through, but from my perspective it's been weighted in favour of one side. I just wanted to show that there are more people defending doom's original point if Broughy was looking at this democratically. As for new points, this is an endurance race. Therefore the finishing positions should be determined by the quality of the driver, not the details of the car. 1 tenth of a second per 1 minute lap equates to 1 minute 30 in a 1 hour 30 race. That's a huge amount of time. I don't think any person deserves that much of a bonus, simply because they've spent 10 hours perfecting their set up. I'm sorry but no one on earth is that consistent. Even before you factor in lapping and battles for positions. As I've said time and again, these mods do not make the car faster. Different people will also be more comfortable with different setups, there's no secret setup to get you that extra tenth on any given track. If you like how a car is stock, or how you have it already, you're still on equal footing. 10 hours? No. That's frankly ridiculous. It takes as little as half an hour to fiddle with mods to make a car feel right for you, especially with all of the hard work chilli has done in making this information available. At this point wilful ignorance or apathy can be the only explanation, and that shouldn't affect those of us that like our cars a certain way, if only for their appearance. Overzealous mod restrictions sap the fun and individuality from events like this, and only serve to benefit those who cannot be bothered at the expense of everyone else. [Edit: As flaming gun said, that would equal nine seconds, not 90. This is frankly not even worth thinking about when you have so many other variables that will affect split times to a much greater extent in an endurance race] |
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 1, 2017 12:00:42 GMT
I agree that if old points are just getting reiterated it's a pain to trawl through, but from my perspective it's been weighted in favour of one side. I just wanted to show that there are more people defending doom's original point if Broughy was looking at this democratically. As for new points, this is an endurance race. Therefore the finishing positions should be determined by the quality of the driver, not the details of the car. 1 tenth of a second per 1 minute lap equates to 1 minute 30 in a 1 hour 30 race. That's a huge amount of time. I don't think any person deserves that much of a bonus, simply because they've spent 10 hours perfecting their set up. That would be 9 seconds over a race, not 1m30s. And 9 seconds is not very much over a 90 minute race distance considering how many other factors there are when it comes to driver skill. Setups are not something that just suddenly cuts off some time off your laptime, they will help you like the handling of the car more, which in order makes the driver quicker, not the car. Wow I fucked up the maths there big time. In that case it's clearly not as drastic. I swear to god if I lose the championship by 9 seconds I'm blaming you. As for sapping the fun out of it Banter, I think you're completely wrong. Modifying my car is the most boring thing I can thing of in gta. |
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Post by DV8R on Jun 1, 2017 12:01:05 GMT
I would personally be fine with either outcome to the customisation.
On one hand; if you open it up with no restrictions on any part of the car then that will be good for drivers who like to run freely, trying yo find what they think is best for a car on a track. For those who don't then they can just choose what they think looks good.
On the other hand; if you completely lock all aspects of it, like last season, then although it may be a set-up one might not like, it puts everyone completely evenly and there is no variables on the car to make them go faster than another driver. Then (arguably) more effort would have to go into the driver to be faster than the rest.
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Post by Brady on Jun 1, 2017 12:02:38 GMT
This is where i stand about custom setups, yes people with limited time wont benefit as much as others, but either way the people with more time will have more track practice than you, adding custom setups benefits everyone because you can fine tune your car to your liking. I doesnt take an hour to figure out if you can stand that car for a 90 minute race. I'd say the people who go above and beyond practice wise deserve to win. They are the most prepared, have the most knoweledge about the track and car and how to get the best of both.
On the other hand having everyone on a complete level playing field is impossible to police with different customization options that look very similar and can be mistaken as the "right setup" even last season Berto had a livery on his Windsor, no did anything to him. Because you cant activley say, he has a "X" bumper instead of "Y"
I dont really care what the ultimate decision is, as I'm not advanced enough to run custom setups, I run what looks good to me. Thats my essay on setups.
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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on Jun 1, 2017 12:03:47 GMT
Someone might be able to decide better with all the options written like this in a little summary. Blue plus is positive, purple division is neutral, red minus is negative.
Tell me what I should add in this. Proposal: Force strict customization optionsSkillwise:+Equal cars
+More focus on racing
+Rewards being adaptable
÷It could be considered more fair, but look at the minus below. Fair is now a weird word to use, depends on its meaning-Luck based at times, someone might get their preferred setup and others won't.
-Some might not be able give out their full potential with the carDriver experience:
+More time on practicing the track instead of driving to LSC and starting up the job
-Might hate driving the car without his preferred setup
-Less customization freedom for cosmetic reasons
Time:+Less time used+Extra time can be used for more race practice÷Driver with a setup he doesn't like might need more time for practice. However, that time is gained from not customizing.Viewer experience:+Focus on how drivers adapt to their conditions and the racing itself, instead of the car÷More professional looking, less variety-Less unique driving styles (honestly, people will probably keep their driving style and just try it with the setup)Hosting:
÷Deciding which setup to force (Just pick the last item at every option/take time giving a fun setup)-Impossible to monitor
Overall:+Equal playing field÷The cars might look better if they look the same cosmetic wise, but they might also be boring.-Sacrifice drivers comfort and freedom
I feel like this is unfinished but I can't think of anything else. Feels like playing a paradox game...
My opinion alert:
I don't care, I'm for both sides. I'd prefer to force it because I cannot spend so much time to find a good setup. I'm also sligtly perfectionistic and It feels very painful trying to find the absolute right setup. I have choice problems and things like this customizing makes me frustrated like hell because tiny things can annoy the shit out of me. Its why I don't bother doing it, or do it in a very 'Eh that'll do I can't bother' attitude. However I'd rather suffer slightly more for the cost of others having a better time.
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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on Jun 1, 2017 12:05:48 GMT
We don't have a choice for cars, for us its pretty much random which one of the 250 CARS we will drive. I owned this game since it came on PC and I don't even have 1/3 of them and I mostly keep the cars I buy. I haven't even driven the Banshee 900R yet... (I really damn want to though ) I know cars are selected by Bruffy - I can only speak for PS4 here but most people on Slack have about 100 cars so you have experience with a lot of different cars where you know what you like. We use the staggered starts PLs a lot though which is not a thing on other platforms I assume.... Staggered playlists is a thing here too. Thing is also, yes you might own a lot of cars, but did you bother trying to give it a good setup? Also the people on slack are known to have invested too much time in GTA lul. |
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 12:07:16 GMT
That would be 9 seconds over a race, not 1m30s. And 9 seconds is not very much over a 90 minute race distance considering how many other factors there are when it comes to driver skill. Setups are not something that just suddenly cuts off some time off your laptime, they will help you like the handling of the car more, which in order makes the driver quicker, not the car. Wow I fucked up the maths there big time. In that case it's clearly not as drastic. I swear to god if I lose the championship by 9 seconds I'm blaming you. As for sapping the fun out of it Banter, I think you're completely wrong. Modifying my car is the most boring thing I can thing of in gta. So the rest of us should be restricted because it's boring to some people? |
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Post by Grumples_Plox (grimreaper977) on Jun 1, 2017 12:07:37 GMT
On the other hand having everyone on a complete level playing field is impossible to police with different customization options that look very similar and can be mistaken as the "right setup" even last season Berto had a livery on his Windsor, no did anything to him. I don't know about the consoles, but every race except the last one on North Loop for PC. Every driver ran the correct setup. |
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Post by MindlessRiff on Jun 1, 2017 12:10:02 GMT
On set-ups, perhaps instead of fully restricting it or leaving it totally open, you could have a small selection of wheels to make your car more to your liking. I.e, Restrictions: *bunch of restrictions*, Your choice of: Fujiwara (tuner), Rally Masters (tuner), Saisoku (tuner). You could expand this further to body mods etc for more flexibility, but (to the best of my knowledge, correct me if wrong) wheels seem to be the biggest difference on average, and making multiple full setups would be pretty tedious for organisers. This gives you options to make a car more tolerable, but doesn't force you to spend hours perfecting and tinkering with a set-up to be competitive. Best of both worlds? Maybe?  |
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Post by Brady on Jun 1, 2017 12:10:33 GMT
I know cars are selected by Bruffy - I can only speak for PS4 here but most people on Slack have about 100 cars so you have experience with a lot of different cars where you know what you like. We use the staggered starts PLs a lot though which is not a thing on other platforms I assume.... Staggered playlists is a thing here too. Thing is also, yes you might own a lot of cars, but did you bother trying to give it a good setup? Also the people on slack are known to have invested too much time in GTA lul. Then there is me who hosts an entire championship based off staggered starts, hotlaping cars to get laptimes, kinda requires setups, even though I sell them all, I still get others to tell me what can improve on my setup to accomodate my skill level to get the max potential out of the car. |
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Post by jt33396 on Jun 1, 2017 12:12:44 GMT
Broughy better pick what he wants to do soon, even I think it's starting to get long winded lol
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