Tsupernami
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 1, 2017 13:00:22 GMT
Oh don't get emotional over it. You stated the exact opposite point, that it's more fun to do this. I can simply reword your point into your original statement and it had the same effect. This being - "so the rest of us should suffer to those who can edit their cars because it's more fun for some people?" I'm not getting emotional, it's just terrible justification for unnecessary regulation. No one else is affected in the slightest by my choice of spoiler, splitter, skirts etc. Don't take away other peoples choice because you don't like it or can't be bothered, it's rather petulant. We are affected though. That's the point. You are getting an advantage that we are not able to obtain. Excuse me for working 40 hours a week and having a life with real world commitments away from my PC. If that by definition means I "can't be bothered", then so be it. I'm trying trying to even the playing field. You're trying to seek an advantage that not everyone has the time to commit to. That is the sole debate here. |
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Post by aichiyota on Jun 1, 2017 13:05:32 GMT
I'm not getting emotional, it's just terrible justification for unnecessary regulation. No one else is affected in the slightest by my choice of spoiler, splitter, skirts etc. Don't take away other peoples choice because you don't like it or can't be bothered, it's rather petulant. We are affected though. That's the point. You are getting an advantage that we are not able to obtain. Excuse me for working 40 hours a week and having a life with real world commitments away from my PC. If that by definition means I "can't be bothered", then so be it. I'm trying trying to even the playing field. You're trying to seek an advantage that not everyone has the time to commit to. That is the sole debate here. But you plan to practise the tracks right? You now that every racing team makes a setup while practising? So you basically have time to spent learning the tracks but u dont want to spend time learning the car and his setups? |
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 13:06:28 GMT
I'm not getting emotional, it's just terrible justification for unnecessary regulation. No one else is affected in the slightest by my choice of spoiler, splitter, skirts etc. Don't take away other peoples choice because you don't like it or can't be bothered, it's rather petulant. We are affected though. That's the point. You are getting an advantage that we are not able to obtain. Excuse me for working 40 hours a week and having a life with real world commitments away from my PC. If that by definition means I "can't be bothered", then so be it. I'm trying trying to even the playing field. You're trying to seek an advantage that not everyone has the time to commit to. That is the sole debate here. The 'advantage' is so small as to be non-existent and we all have things going on in our lives. With the weeks worth of time we'll have in advance for each race not being able to spare under an hour for a car is frankly ridiculous. The mods don't actually make cars faster than they would be with another setup or even no setup at all, there is no material advantage to be gained. Even if there were some advantage, everyone is able to to obtain it. 'Trying to even the playing field'. - We all have the same tools to work with, or should slower drivers be given a head start because they haven't the time to practice? To stand a chance to compete you'll have to practice anyway so you either have the time or you don't. If not, consider being a reserve so someone who can commit the time has a chance instead. |
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Post by razorr8 on Jun 1, 2017 13:15:03 GMT
We are affected though. That's the point. You are getting an advantage that we are not able to obtain. Excuse me for working 40 hours a week and having a life with real world commitments away from my PC. If that by definition means I "can't be bothered", then so be it. I'm trying trying to even the playing field. You're trying to seek an advantage that not everyone has the time to commit to. That is the sole debate here. The 'advantage' is so small as to be non-existent and we all have things going on in our lives. With the weeks worth of time we'll have in advance for each race not being able to spare under an hour for a car is frankly ridiculous. The mods don't actually make cars faster than they would be with another setup or even no setup at all, there is no material advantage to be gained. To stand a chance to compete you'll have to practice anyway so you either have the time or you don't. If not, consider being a reserve so someone who can commit the time has a chance instead. please stop saying that it doesn't make much difference . it does and by a lot of time , for example take a shwartzer and customise it normally without thinking of performance or any thing then try to drive it on a track , it oversteers so much to the point that you cant control it then try to make a good setup and you will see a really big difference , im saying that cause i already tested it and the difference was almost 3-4 sec in lap times |
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 13:17:41 GMT
The 'advantage' is so small as to be non-existent and we all have things going on in our lives. With the weeks worth of time we'll have in advance for each race not being able to spare under an hour for a car is frankly ridiculous. The mods don't actually make cars faster than they would be with another setup or even no setup at all, there is no material advantage to be gained. To stand a chance to compete you'll have to practice anyway so you either have the time or you don't. If not, consider being a reserve so someone who can commit the time has a chance instead. please stop saying that it doesn't make much difference . it does and by a lot of time , for example take a shwartzer and customise it normally without thinking of performance or any thing then try to drive it on a track , it oversteers so much to the point that you cant control it then try to make a good setup and you will see a really big difference , im saying that cause i already tested it and the difference was almost 3-4 sec in lap times Funny how I did the same with my dom r/c earlier and noticed no difference in laptimes, and only a slight improvement in consistency. 3/4 seconds is wholly unrealistic in any scenario, and one persons experience is not representative of everyone elses. |
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Post by razorr8 on Jun 1, 2017 13:21:41 GMT
please stop saying that it doesn't make much difference . it does and by a lot of time , for example take a shwartzer and customise it normally without thinking of performance or any thing then try to drive it on a track , it oversteers so much to the point that you cant control it then try to make a good setup and you will see a really big difference , im saying that cause i already tested it and the difference was almost 3-4 sec in lap times Funny how I did the same with my dom r/c earlier and noticed no difference in laptimes, and only a slight improvement in consistency. 3/4 seconds is wholly unrealistic in any scenario, and one persons experience is not representative of everyone elses. tha's impossible i already did that to my dom and when i found a good setup it made me do a better lap times |
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Post by MindlessRiff on Jun 1, 2017 13:21:53 GMT
As someone who has never been in an MCEC before, why was the fixed setup introduced in the first place (S3?) if it wasn't at least a small issue?
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Post by NicotheRider on Jun 1, 2017 13:24:02 GMT
I'm not getting emotional, it's just terrible justification for unnecessary regulation. No one else is affected in the slightest by my choice of spoiler, splitter, skirts etc. Don't take away other peoples choice because you don't like it or can't be bothered, it's rather petulant. We are affected though. That's the point. You are getting an advantage that we are not able to obtain. Excuse me for working 40 hours a week and having a life with real world commitments away from my PC. If that by definition means I "can't be bothered", then so be it. I'm trying trying to even the playing field. You're trying to seek an advantage that not everyone has the time to commit to. That is the sole debate here. And that is what I don't get and personally just see as an excuse to not having to bother about a setup. I work 40 hours a week too. And I have a personal/private life to take care of as well + the 5-7 hours of sleep I need each and every day. But finding 2 hours over 2 weeks? Or even a bit more? That's not as difficult as a lot of here make it look like in my opinion, sorry. |
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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on Jun 1, 2017 13:24:05 GMT
please stop saying that it doesn't make much difference . it does and by a lot of time , for example take a shwartzer and customise it normally without thinking of performance or any thing then try to drive it on a track , it oversteers so much to the point that you cant control it then try to make a good setup and you will see a really big difference , im saying that cause i already tested it and the difference was almost 3-4 sec in lap times Funny how I did the same with my dom r/c earlier and noticed no difference in laptimes, and only a slight improvement in consistency. 3/4 seconds is wholly unrealistic in any scenario, and one persons experience is not representative of everyone elses. But uh, you did just get evidence that it does affect people. Clearly more people feel this way if they want to force this rule. Dominator RC and the schwartzer are also different cars :/ It does depend on the car a lot. Imagine a futo... |
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Post by Broughy1322 on Jun 1, 2017 13:24:12 GMT
Okay let's all stop talking about the setup thing now. Any other suggestions about other things feel. Gonna answer the setup issue in the next post but I figured I'd stop people talking about it at this stage since I've come to a decision. It has already gone on long enough XD
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 13:24:21 GMT
As someone who has never been in an MCEC before, why was the fixed setup introduced in the first place (S3?) if it wasn't at least a small issue? From what I remember in season 3, it was for cosmetic reasons. If you look at broughy's fact finding videos he's said before the difference in a cars potential is almost non-existent and only really affects those on the very highest level. |
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 13:26:37 GMT
If nothing else these mcec threads will help me on my way to that precious fourth star on my profile
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Post by aichiyota on Jun 1, 2017 13:27:35 GMT
So basically you would also agree in baning the people from practising the tracks upfront?
As the people who can spare more time on learning the track (the best lines, the bumps etc) will have an advantage.
Its exactly the same with car customization. Everybody starts with the same base(is it track ors is it the car) and the amount of time and effort u are willing to put in will give you results.
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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on Jun 1, 2017 13:28:45 GMT
BROUGHY MADE A DECISION NOW LET'S STOP PLEASE BECAUSE IT HAS NO POINT ANYMORE ANY BY THIS POINT YOU GUYS ARE JUST ONE UPPING EACHOTHER WHOEVER HAS A LIFE WITH LESS FREETIME.
Let's talk about pits. How many? How long? Or just drive through?
Imo I think they should be longer than they usually are in other events because the races are 1 hour and a half and people usually need to drink or even have to go pee or go get something.
Pitwatcher will be very useful.
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Post by Banter on Jun 1, 2017 13:32:15 GMT
BROUGHY MADE A DECISION NOW LET'S STOP PLEASE BECAUSE IT HAS NO POINT ANYMORE ANY BY THIS POINT YOU GUYS ARE JUST ONE UPPING EACHOTHER WHOEVER HAS A LIFE WITH LESS FREETIME.Let's talk about pits. How many? How long? Or just drive through?Imo I think they should be longer than they usually are in other events because the races are 1 hour and a half and people usually need to drink or even have to go pee or go get something.
Pitwatcher will be very useful. My man if you don't have those engineer straws setup into a 2L of mtn dew and a nappy that is you not being adequately prepaired Edit: Everyone needs these as part of their endurance setup  |
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