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Post by bladecruiser on May 31, 2017 19:21:22 GMT
The other 5 races will be held on platform specific community tracks (yet to be chosen). So, will these tracks be pulled from the Content Creator livestreams for each platform? Or will you take suggestions from maybe people that are active in the community? I have a list of great tracks, for example, that the creators don't care to submit to the Content Creator thing but the tracks are great to drive on and provide some amazing battles with how they drive.
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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on May 31, 2017 19:21:54 GMT
RIP Americans with these round schedules Too busy with covfefe I see.
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Post by xInfamousRYANx on May 31, 2017 19:23:09 GMT
Going to also throw in my thought, 2 weeks is plenty of time to come up with a passable setup. This is supposed to be a big event, you are expected to be practicing beforehand, not just showing up unprepared. As well, we know modifications dont make the car faster, but they can make the driver faster. Personally I like very understeery cars, but if the 'mandated' setup for a car was more oversteery, that would put me at a disadvantage compared to people who prefer oversteer. We shouldn't be limited for that, besides maybe no offroads as that does make a difference but has plenty of alternatives, is easy to govern and makes everything prettier. Couldn't have said it better myself. Last season the Massacro RC was limited to the 2nd to last spoiler option. While I wasnt in GT1 i can speak from experience that on my platform of choice (xb1) that spoiler seems to increase oversteer and reduces rear stability. I prefer the last spoiler option on the car. Now take myself and another driver of equal skill. We both have the same cars and same skill but because he always drives with that massacro setup and it feels good to him while I don't like the feel and have a hard time adapting to the forced setup wont they do better than me by virtue of the setup favoring them? 2 week gaps is plenty of time to find a setup. Wheels probably should be the only thong restricted such as wheels you can't use rather than locked to one wheel type.
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Post by cameronman1329 on May 31, 2017 19:23:35 GMT
So let me get this straight... These people, who are extremely busy, so busy in fact, that they are going to sign up to an event that spans 5 months from July to December. In between each race, there is two weeks to prepare and these people are so busy that they cannot even play for an hour or so a day to do a little bit of practice and experiment with their car setup (or not, if they don't want to). If you're that busy then just don't sign up or just accept the fact that you're probably not going to do that well regardless of whether you set your car up or not. calm your tits man.
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Post by NicotheRider on May 31, 2017 19:25:10 GMT
Well, you guys watch F1 I assume? And maybe MotoGP as well? Do you really think that they all have the same Setup?
No, they don't. They fine tune things for them personally. Different tyres etc. That is a big part of racing, just saying.
It is not even about getting better lap times to me when it comes to GTA...but driving a car that is tuned how I like it delivers even more enjoyment when racing and battling as mentioned earlier. And also as mentioned earlier, if I am selected, I am still gonna race regardless of the outcome of this discussion.
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Post by bladecruiser on May 31, 2017 19:31:29 GMT
Going to also throw in my thought, 2 weeks is plenty of time to come up with a passable setup. This is supposed to be a big event, you are expected to be practicing beforehand, not just showing up unprepared. As well, we know modifications dont make the car faster, but they can make the driver faster. Personally I like very understeery cars, but if the 'mandated' setup for a car was more oversteery, that would put me at a disadvantage compared to people who prefer oversteer. We shouldn't be limited for that, besides maybe no offroads as that does make a difference but has plenty of alternatives, is easy to govern and makes everything prettier. Couldn't have said it better myself. Last season the Massacro RC was limited to the 2nd to last spoiler option. While I wasnt in GT1 i can speak from experience that on my platform of choice (xb1) that spoiler seems to increase oversteer and reduces rear stability. I prefer the last spoiler option on the car. Now take myself and another driver of equal skill. We both have the same cars and same skill but because he always drives with that massacro setup and it feels good to him while I don't like the feel and have a hard time adapting to the forced setup wont they do better than me by virtue of the setup favoring them? 2 week gaps is plenty of time to find a setup. Wheels probably should be the only thong restricted such as wheels you can't use rather than locked to one wheel type. Maybe take the time to practice with the setup then? What would happen if the car as a whole goes against your normal driving style? Muscle class is a great example of GT1 car choice being very important in driver performance, since the top cars of that class, and even in groups of cars farther down the list, will severely change how drivers do just because of the major differences in the cars' handling characteristics. Wheels were completely restricted in MCEC S3, and that worked out decently enough. There's no reason to not restrict the rest of the modification options when evidence shows that they can change how a car performs or handles.
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Post by Traumbrecher on May 31, 2017 19:31:51 GMT
I signed up, hoping to get into Season 4 again here (as a GT2 this time).
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Post by FriendlyBaron on May 31, 2017 19:33:29 GMT
Going to also throw in my thought, 2 weeks is plenty of time to come up with a passable setup. This is supposed to be a big event, you are expected to be practicing beforehand, not just showing up unprepared. As well, we know modifications dont make the car faster, but they can make the driver faster. Personally I like very understeery cars, but if the 'mandated' setup for a car was more oversteery, that would put me at a disadvantage compared to people who prefer oversteer. We shouldn't be limited for that, besides maybe no offroads as that does make a difference but has plenty of alternatives, is easy to govern and makes everything prettier. You're already at a disadvantage if you're forced into a Coquette, for example. What the setup is won't matter if the car is already severely leaning in a single direction. My point above about actually being able to drive the car should be the important part, not trying to force the car to fit your specific driving style. Why not both? I cant make a Coquette drive like a Blade of course, but I can put some different tires that make it feel good for me. I think about it like eSports. The things that usually make an esport popular (LoL, Csgo, Dota, Starcraft) are when the players can have a style that is unique to them, whether it be the way they use a strategy, use a specific skill or weapon. In racing, drivers are different in the way they take corners usually. If you look at some Vods from top drivers here, there are big differences in the way they go about that, the biggest thing would be aggressive late braking like Serenniel does - that doesn't work for me. But taking corners smooth like Darn does works for me. Setups help allow drivers to HAVE different styles, which is where different skills and proficiencies draw out the differences between drivers themselves, which is what makes for great racing when these things are different, so that each driver can be at their best. On top of all that in-race reasons to allow mods, the logistics of deciding which mods are allowed would be a nightmare with 30 something different cars throughout the event, and we would have to go through and verify all modifications onn the starting grid each race (not in the prelobby, someone could buy two cars and pick a different one).
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Post by thedelgadic1 on May 31, 2017 19:37:52 GMT
Just signed up for Xbox one and as a reserve on PC. I'm sorry what happened last MCEC. I was immature and fucking stupid. I've been part of several championships and I believe the hosts of said championships would say I was a good participant. Also Broughy1322 , message me with whatever changes you want done to the Xbox one remakes and I'll be glad to do them:)
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Post by ymerogco aka R-Amores on May 31, 2017 19:39:04 GMT
Filled the form I am hyped for this, really did not see it coming
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Post by firefly on May 31, 2017 19:40:21 GMT
Well, you guys watch F1 I assume? And maybe MotoGP as well? Do you really think that they all have the same Setup? No, they don't. They fine tune things for them personally. Different tyres etc. That is a big part of racing, just saying. It is not even about getting better lap times to me when it comes to GTA...but driving a car that is tuned how I like it delivers even more enjoyment when racing and battling as mentioned earlier. And also as mentioned earlier, if I am selected, I am still gonna race regardless of the outcome of this discussion. That's a fair point. But just like in every other video game, reality is not something to put above everything else. By that logic we could say that 1 big crash = DSQ just like in real f1.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 19:41:20 GMT
Ignore my response to the form. I'd be happy to do pit watching or anything else like that in the main championship. (on xbox one) Broughy1322
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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on May 31, 2017 19:42:35 GMT
I signed up, hoping to get into Season 4 again here (as a GT2 this time). Do you... only participate in MCEC? i'm going to get my revenge, you'll see!
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Post by bladecruiser on May 31, 2017 19:43:27 GMT
You're already at a disadvantage if you're forced into a Coquette, for example. What the setup is won't matter if the car is already severely leaning in a single direction. My point above about actually being able to drive the car should be the important part, not trying to force the car to fit your specific driving style. Why not both? I cant make a Coquette drive like a Blade of course, but I can put some different tires that make it feel good for me. I think about it like eSports. The things that usually make an esport popular (LoL, Csgo, Dota, Starcraft) are when the players can have a style that is unique to them, whether it be the way they use a strategy, use a specific skill or weapon. In racing, drivers are different in the way they take corners usually. If you look at some Vods from top drivers here, there are big differences in the way they go about that, the biggest thing would be aggressive late braking like Serenniel does - that doesn't work for me. But taking corners smooth like Darn does works for me. Setups help allow drivers to HAVE different styles, which is where different skills and proficiencies draw out the differences between drivers themselves, which is what makes for great racing when these things are different, so that each driver can be at their best. On top of all that in-race reasons to allow mods, the logistics of deciding which mods are allowed would be a nightmare with 30 something different cars throughout the event, and we would have to go through and verify all modifications onn the starting grid each race (not in the prelobby, someone could buy two cars and pick a different one). 100% agree! But I don't feel that MCEC is the event for that kind of thing. You're given a car, given a track, and plopped down into your class to race against people. It comes down to what kind of "pure racing experience" you'd like to have. Personally, I'd prefer a wide open multi-class style with each GT consisting of 3-4 car choices for each race. That's not appropriate for this event, so I didn't make that suggestion. The way MCEC was headed in S3 was pointing towards a full "locked in setup" for each car anyways, with being forced into using mods that had "race" or some variant in the name to give it more of a racing event feel. Having a completely locked down, closed class setup like this just takes it the final step to giving every driver a level playing field for the race. The mark of a great driver isn't that they're fast, its that they can adapt to the situation and still prevail. If you end up not being able to do that with a locked setup, you may need to reevaluate how well you think you're doing. Note - this last isn't directed at anyone specific, just in general. It's something I personally had to come to terms with when I decided to build my car setups based on looks instead of performance.
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Post by thedelgadic1 on May 31, 2017 19:45:41 GMT
Also I got to say, I love the race calendar. The spreading out of the weeks is perfect for my scheduale. The last week of July I am going camping, but it's ok because it's a break week and the same goes for my birthday on September 10.
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