bladecruiser
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Post by bladecruiser on May 31, 2017 20:41:58 GMT
"The mark of a great driver isn't that they're fast, its that they can adapt to the situation and still prevail. If you end up not being able to do that with a locked setup, you may need to reevaluate how well you think you're doing." I recently changed up my driving style and am competiting for podiums in events now. Setup was not a huge part of it, but it helps. I can twist this, if you can't find and adapt a custom setup to fit your driving, then maybe you need to reevaluate your ability to critically think about your driving and how your style fits into different cars. One of the big reasons cited here as well is lack of time to prepare setups. Ok, sure, PersonA has 3 hours to practice, PersonB has 6 hours, and PersonC has 0 hours. If we don't subtract setup removal time from that practice, PersonB still has more time to practice and perfect the single setup, and PersonC is screwed either way and shouldn't have signed up, or just has to suck it up. PersonA didnt really gain anything, PersonB still has more practice time. Even while testing setups you are still learning the basics of the track and car, the fine tuning of setups can happen during that time. Its not mutually exclusive. I think then it comes down to the... feel? theme? of the event. Because you'll get some different feels from doing it with locked setups versus just a specific car choice. I personally would like the locked setup, for the reasons already stated by myself and the others, but would still participate if it isn't locked, too. It's a big event, and hopefully I get to have at least one great race out of it like I did last season.
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Post by Sunken on May 31, 2017 20:43:08 GMT
I've never seen worse shitstorm than this. Not every comment but some people need to learn how to respect someones opinion even if you don't like it. Not go and attack him with an aggressive tone that causes issues. This thread hasn't even been up for a day or so and people are already arguing over an event they are not even hosting. You can leave your suggestions but it doesn't mean that others have to judge it in such harsh way. Just relax, and communicate in peace please. Broughy is just gonna have hard time reading through this, looking for suggestions or improvements for his event.. If you want to delete this comment, go ahead, but im just stating something that should be obvious by now. Thanks. As I said already, theres nothing over the line yet here, people are excited and discussing things. The only thing so far was merhpos's posts which i already addressed. Stop trying to create drama out of nothing. Not here to create drama, but i understand +didn't read the newer pages
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Post by FriendlyBaron on May 31, 2017 20:43:26 GMT
-YoloSwaggins- Banter @zenvohh Do not post personal attacks on other drivers. Previous actions will be taken into account in signups, but its not your job to publicly post them again.
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Post by flaminggun7 on May 31, 2017 20:45:00 GMT
Another suggestion I have in mind is about MDSB. It takes skill to do it consistently and I appreciate that fact, but lately I have noticed an issue with MDSB. When exiting a corner, if you are behind someone doing the MDSB, you are brakechecked and if you are in very close proximity of the car in front you don't have any time to react. So my suggestion would not to be to ban MDSB, but when reviewing incidents, MDSB should be considered as a form of brakecheck. This way people would avoid using it in very close racing situations. You may ask, why don't both driver's just MDSB and there will be no issues? Well 1) You know how GTA is with lag and all, when MDSBing you can hardly trust what you see on your screen, 2) When a car from a different GT is coming around to lap you, or even if a slower GT caught you up, different cars have different potential when it comes to MDSB, 3) Sometimes it can be quite hard to determine if it is quicker to MDSB instead of taking some kerbboosts or a wide line. One driver not as confident with MDSB could prefer a different approach to the one that is comfortable MDSBing. I doubt anyone MDSB:s on purpose just to brakecheck, but there are always those scumbags out there. Just my idea to keep the racing as fair as possible :^)
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Post by Xepy★̅ on May 31, 2017 20:51:22 GMT
Don't mind me just posting to keep posted.
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Post by adam10603 on May 31, 2017 20:55:07 GMT
Going to also throw in my thought, 2 weeks is plenty of time to come up with a passable setup. This is supposed to be a big event, you are expected to be practicing beforehand, not just showing up unprepared. As well, we know modifications dont make the car faster, but they can make the driver faster. Personally I like very understeery cars, but if the 'mandated' setup for a car was more oversteery, that would put me at a disadvantage compared to people who prefer oversteer. We shouldn't be limited for that, besides maybe no offroads as that does make a difference but has plenty of alternatives, is easy to govern and makes everything prettier. You're already at a disadvantage if you're forced into a Coquette, for example. What the setup is won't matter if the car is already severely leaning in a single direction. My point above about actually being able to drive the car should be the important part, not trying to force the car to fit your specific driving style. I agree with Baron here. Having a setup that helps a driver getting the most out of themselves is something that shouldn't be taken away. As he said, setups don't make the cars magically faster, they just make them better suited for the driver's preferences, and there's nothing wrong about that. Also, all the parts in LSC are available for everyone to use. I simply don't think that using something that everybody else can as well would be unfair to them. Even if you look at F1, which is probably the most tightly regulated motorsport out there, and something that we tend to refer to when we talk about rules in our races, even there the drivers do have a say in how their car is set up for a race, to make it better suit their driving style, and there's absolutely nothing wrong or unfair about that. Besides, banning car tuning would drive many people away. As someone who cares about how their car is set up most of the time, I wouldn't be happy to drive a car that simply doesn't feel good to me. If drivers aren't comfortable and feeling good in their cars, that will only hurt the racing as a whole imo. No hard feelings towards anyone, I'm sure it will be a great event regardless. This is just how I feel about the issue. Edit: I'd also like to point out that neons can be made invisible with a pure black crew color, making it impossible to police. Considering how much they can change the handling, this would pretty much defeat the whole idea of locking setups anyway.
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Post by Just Hero on May 31, 2017 21:06:39 GMT
Another suggestion I have in mind is about MDSB. It takes skill to do it consistently and I appreciate that fact, but lately I have noticed an issue with MDSB. When exiting a corner, if you are behind someone doing the MDSB, you are brakechecked and if you are in very close proximity of the car in front you don't have any time to react. So my suggestion would not to be to ban MDSB, but when reviewing incidents, MDSB should be considered as a form of brakecheck. This way people would avoid using it in very close racing situations. You may ask, why don't both driver's just MDSB and there will be no issues? Well 1) You know how GTA is with lag and all, when MDSBing you can hardly trust what you see on your screen, 2) When a car from a different GT is coming around to lap you, or even if a slower GT caught you up, different cars have different potential when it comes to MDSB, 3) Sometimes it can be quite hard to determine if it is quicker to MDSB instead of taking some kerbboosts or a wide line. One driver not as confident with MDSB could prefer a different approach to the one that is comfortable MDSBing. I doubt anyone MDSB:s on purpose just to brakecheck, but there are always those scumbags out there. Just my idea to keep the racing as fair as possible :^) Don't sit behind nos any car with a good mid-drive, job done
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Post by darealmarkmyers on May 31, 2017 21:16:35 GMT
I have submitted and am hoping I am able to race in this for the first time! I've completed in multiple events over 2017 and If I am not able to race I would be more than willing to help out on the Xbox One side in any way I can.
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Post by bladecruiser on May 31, 2017 21:21:29 GMT
I'd also like to point out that neons can be made invisible with a pure black crew color, making it impossible to police. Considering how much they can change the handling, this would pretty much defeat the whole idea of locking setups anyway. Not if it's mandated that you have full neons set to a team color, like is usually the case for that anyways.
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Post by thedelgadic1 on May 31, 2017 21:26:16 GMT
I'd also like to point out that neons can be made invisible with a pure black crew color, making it impossible to police. Considering how much they can change the handling, this would pretty much defeat the whole idea of locking setups anyway. Not if it's mandated that you have full neons set to a team color, like is usually the case for that anyways. There's a handiling difference with neons. I've never heard of that
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Post by CHILLI on May 31, 2017 21:35:31 GMT
I'm still undecided if I want to participate because of personal reasons, but I'm also for letting people tune to their liking. It's a big deal for me because I've ended up selling cars in the past, thinking the car is crap for unknown reasons. The races will also be far more interesting knowing that everyone is able to reach their potential without any artificial restrictions getting in the way. The only thing that is known to have a definite effect on performance are wheels, so I agree with banning offroads (even if just for looks).
If setups will be locked then keep in mind that it's possible to use black neons, and neons can make a big difference on some cars. Color restrictions may be have to be in place for this to be enforced so that they will always be visible.
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Post by reavous on May 31, 2017 22:01:25 GMT
Been wanting to participate in this (did the thing in the link thingy).
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Post by endersai on May 31, 2017 22:40:40 GMT
I am calm 😂 I was just pointing out the floor flaw in his logic. Overall, I guess I don't understand why anyone who is a fan of 'proper racing' (as Broughy likes to call it in every video of his) wouldn't like the idea of being able to set up their car to suit their driving style. That is a huge part of what 'proper racing' is! So it might sound harsh or 'aggressive' of me to call people lazy, but that's simply the way I see it. FTFY But just remember - you're on console. Doom is on PC. The benefits from certain quirks in game code are significantly more pronounced on PC. I think that needs to be considered.
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Post by Merphos on May 31, 2017 22:57:07 GMT
I am calm 😂 I was just pointing out the floor flaw in his logic. Overall, I guess I don't understand why anyone who is a fan of 'proper racing' (as Broughy likes to call it in every video of his) wouldn't like the idea of being able to set up their car to suit their driving style. That is a huge part of what 'proper racing' is! So it might sound harsh or 'aggressive' of me to call people lazy, but that's simply the way I see it. FTFY But just remember - you're on console. Doom is on PC. The benefits from certain quirks in game code are significantly more pronounced on PC. I think that needs to be considered. I own the game on PC, I've spent many hours on PC. In fact, I'll be racing in a PC event on Sunday! All I've noticed is that cars behave differently on PC, of course. But you don't gain any more time going from one setup to another than you do on console. The biggest issue on PC is the weird effects that you get playing at high framerates that vary wildly, but it's already a given that this will be a 60 FPS lock.
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Post by endersai on May 31, 2017 23:05:18 GMT
I understand, my point was more - Doom noted differences in seconds, and that's why. He's not being unreasonable.
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